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So what? He's right. In Canada or Europe a mentally disurbed guy like Loughner would have been able to undergo psychological counseling and probably none of this would have happened in the first place. But Loughner probably couldn't afford that and that's why 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green had to die...
On his opening show of the new season he spoke these words and failed to ever say anything about whether he was kidding or not about healthcare, or the lack of it, being the reason for the Tucson massacre. I say he is slipping just a bit.
I think he was trying to say that with our HC system a lot of mentally ill people end up not getting treatment. A lot of homeless people in US are mentally ill, and they are homeless because of their illness and lack of treatment.
So what? He's right. In Canada or Europe a mentally disurbed guy like Loughner would have been able to undergo psychological counseling and probably none of this would have happened in the first place. But Loughner probably couldn't afford that and that's why 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green had to die...
Because we don't have government health care, that's one reason why a crazy person gets a gun because, you know what, it’s hard for a crazy person to get a job, so therefore it’s hard for them to get heath care in a country that doesn’t have government- (Audio: MP3 clip)
What's to dispute there? It's all true. Once more, last July AZ cut their funding of public mental health care by 50% and they are rated as second to the bottom of all the states when it comes to services for the mentally ill.
What's to dispute there? It's all true. Once more, last July AZ cut their funding of public mental health care by 50% and they are rated as second to the bottom of all the states when it comes to services for the mentally ill.
What makes this particular situation especially difficult is the way Arizona handles mental health commitments. I didn't realize until it was pointed out in another thread that rather than having law enforcement take info to a judge to rule for a 72 hour evaluation, it's all handled through the community health centers in Arizona--they're the ones that have the power to authorize an emergency evaluation and 72 hour hospitalization against someone's will--it bypasses the normal system through law enforcement/courts in most states. If those programs are dramatically underfunded, then you have potentially dangerous people walking around that the system simply doesn't have the funds to deal with. It sounds like it could have been (we don't know--we don't have enough details) a perfect storm of underfunded services falling apart. It's very sad.
He didn't make his point clearly, but it's very true that community based mental health care for people who can't afford to pay privately or who don't have insurance has been cut...and cut...and cut. I don't know if it's an issue in this particular instance because we don't know if his parents were able to pay for private mental health care or not--I also have no idea when or if the provisions kicked in through the health care bill that would have kept him on his parent's insurance, and we know he didn't have employment based health care himself. The sad truth is that until they qualify for disability and Medicaid, many mentally ill adults simply go without care, and wind up on the streets--a good chunk of homeless people are mentally ill and just fall through the cracks. I don't watch Bill Maher, but based on the bit in the article, what he said makes sense if you follow it through.
He made his point very clear ... and it's also very clear that almost any insane idea can be rationalized by some people.
First thing is that there is not a human problem that exists to which government cannot make exponentially worse, and this is a FACT for which they have proven time and again, beyond reasonable doubt. Mental illness being a very good example. Mainstream medical intervention in mental illness relies primarily on psychotropic pharmaceuticals that increase violent tendencies by as much as ten fold. You want to guarantee a huge increase in wackos running the streets murdering people ... give them over to the equally crazy psychiatric community, and pull up a damned chair (don't forget your body armor). Funny, the previous therapy of choice for decades (and still done today) was shock treatment ... yep ... hook em' up and zap the evil spirits out, and then drug them.
As for Maher ... he's an example of everything wrong with the liberal position ... not to mention the fact that it's extremely distasteful to take serious issues and trivialize them by making them a part of a stand up comedy routine, or use them for your political agendas.
In my view, those most in need of psychiatric intervention are guys like him and his loving audience.
Bill Maher did make a good point on his show Friday that the AZ shooter was a gun enthusiast who harbored paranoid thoughts towards the government and posted incoherent ramblings online. Who does that sound like? (Hint: the initials are SP.)
So what? He's right. In Canada or Europe a mentally disurbed guy like Loughner would have been able to undergo psychological counseling and probably none of this would have happened in the first place. But Loughner probably couldn't afford that and that's why 9-year-old Christina Taylor Green had to die...
He made his point very clear ... and it's also very clear that almost any insane idea can be rationalized by some people.
First thing is that there is not a human problem that exists to which government cannot make exponentially worse, and this is a FACT for which they have proven time and again, beyond reasonable doubt. Mental illness being a very good example. Mainstream medical intervention in mental illness relies primarily on psychotropic pharmaceuticals that increase violent tendencies by as much as ten fold. You want to guarantee a huge increase in wackos running the streets murdering people ... give them over to the equally crazy psychiatric community, and pull up a damned chair (don't forget your body armor). Funny, the previous therapy of choice for decades (and still done today) was shock treatment ... yep ... hook em' up and zap the evil spirits out, and then drug them.
As for Maher ... he's an example of everything wrong with the liberal position ... not to mention the fact that it's extremely distasteful to take serious issues and trivialize them by making them a part of a stand up comedy routine, or use them for your political agendas.
In my view, those most in need of psychiatric intervention are guys like him and his loving audience.
You've confused me. How is the government involved in the prescription of psychotrophic drugs by the medical community, and is the alternative option--not treating them at all--better? I don't think psychotherapy is going to fix a delusional schizophrenic having a psychotic episode...what exactly do you suggest?
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