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Old 01-17-2011, 10:32 PM
 
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Ok...it's right wing propaganda to tell a liberal they are using left wing propaganda. Make sense? Didn't think so.
typical left wing postings.. all accusations, no substance..
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:33 PM
 
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Americans have a problem we have no way good to ensure that the mentally ill get indentified in time and get US Government or State, County or City Certification as a Wack job who parks his civil rights at the door.

What does it take?

Is going to the local shopping mall throwing off your cloths and shaking your groove thing sufficient.

How about going to your corner school and asking the little kids to help you. If they do they will get a nice candy bar.

What about beating the stuffing out of your wife, kids or relatives.

What about a download of a couple of gig of hard core porn.

and How about posting politically subversive,politically incorrect, beyond the pale messages on a well known Web site.

This is an important issue because in America you never know the next trip to the FoodMart might be your own personnel Tucson. We really need to strain our brains a little bit.

Remember the DC Sniper of 2002. I remember John Allen Mohammed and Lee Boyd Malvo
Perhaps you should consider staying home and cowering.

I and many others prefer to accept personal responsibility for our own safety. We don't expect government regulation to do it for us.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Americans have a problem we have no good way to ensure that the mentally ill get indentified in time and get US Government or State, County or City Certification as a Wack job who parks his civil rights at the door.

What does it take?

Is going to the local shopping mall throwing off your cloths and shaking your groove thing sufficient.

How about going to your corner school and asking the little kids to help you. If they do they will get a nice candy bar.

What about beating the stuffing out of your wife, kids or relatives.

What about a download of a couple of gig of hard core porn.

and How about posting politically subversive,politically incorrect, beyond the pale messages on a well known Web site.

This is an important issue because in America you never know the next trip to the FoodMart might be your own personnel Tucson. We really need to strain our brains a little bit.

Remember the DC Sniper of 2002. I remember John Allen Mohammed and Lee Boyd Malvo
How about mandatory mental evaluations of all people every six months?
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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With that bloke who shot all those people seemingly mentally iIl I wondered if many Americans were now in favour of would be firearm owners having to take a test, background check, check that your wife/husband is happy for you to have a firearm in the house.
With us it is not the Crims we worry about but the mentally ill.

Or, do you prefer the mentally ill to keep their second amendment rights ?
No matter the risk

Last I heard the mentally ill didn't have a Second Amendment right as is the case with convicted felons and minors. Loughner was able to purchase and possess a firearm because the Pima County Sheriff Department failed to detain him for an involuntary psychiatric evaluation even after numerous complaints of death threats were filed against him.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:37 PM
 
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I originally read this and thought you were a Brit, until I saw your screen name; I shall, therefore assume you are Kiwi.

You realize, of course, one of the greatest mass murders, was committed by an Australian, with mental issues?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)

And registering firearms would do what, exactly? Exactly what? Except to make you feel better? What would registering firearms do, for ANYONE, except the government to know whom has a gun? THAT is going to stop someone from walking into their local mall and shooting it up?

Wake up and smell the coffee. All these laws do is make people "feel good" about themselves. They do NOTHING to stop firearm violence. There are more laws in the United States, especially California, regarding firearms; yet the killings continue.

People will kill. People will do bad things. Its life and deal with it. You cannot sit there dreaming of fluffy clouds and rainbows. That is not life. Life is nasty, dirty, and full of blood, violence, and killing.

The problem with people, is they do not want to accept this fact and whine, complain, and fall on the floor, when violence happens around them. People are violent; has been that way since the dawn of time. Live with it and move on...
Strange that, on a per capita basis we would have more full bore rifles than the USA but we do not have the killings not even close.
One could argue with some justice that it is not the firearms but the people who own them, we the Swiss,the Canadians have a lot less trouble with firearm violence but we do tend to stay with rifles.

Behavior is a little different though, Head of state is at a building so a bloke believed it was clever to stand outside wearing a loaded sidearm.
Our SAS would have given him five seconds to hit the ground with his arms reaching forward.
Of course he would have had the choice to take the hard mob on.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:38 PM
 
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Last I heard the mentally ill didn't have a Second Amendment right as is the case with convicted felons and minors. Loughner was able to purchase and possess a firearm because the Pima County Sheriff Department failed to detain him for an involuntary psychiatric evaluation even after numerous complaints of death threats were filed against him.
And because they failed to report his drug related arrest to FBI/BATFE, apparently.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:38 PM
 
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Defend your opinion, that's your right, but there is no need to lie about it. Switzerland has 46 guns per capita, the US has 90.

England/ Wales has 0.41 gun deaths per 100,000, the LOWEST in Europe, compared to 14.24 in the USA, the highest of the 36 wealthier nations of the world. Gun Deaths - MedicineNet - Health and Medical Information Produced by Doctors

Most gun deaths in the US are suicides, and street thugs are way down on the list.

One of the sad costs of the US gun culture...
According to the CDC, the rate of firearm deaths among children under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. American children are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die in a firearm accident than children in these other countries.
Gun Safety for Kids and Youth: Your Child: University of Michigan Health System
Let's take apart your post.

1. Switzerland is an extremely safe country and by world standards, has a very high rate of gun ownership where the norm across the world is to restrict firearm access.

2. England and Wales have low GUN deaths per year because hardly anyone can get a gun there and yet now they have a knifing epidemic where many of the killings are caused by knives and there was talk about passing knife laws.

3. Again these stats mean that parents are not being responsible with their guns. And why are you using kids being murdered by guns as an excuse? ABORTION is just as bad and yet you liberals want to expand abortion rights till it can be had on demand. And suicides don't count as homicides.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:38 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Strange that, on a per capita basis we would have more full bore rifles than the USA but we do not have the killings not even close.
One could argue with some justice that it is not the firearms but the people who own them, we the Swiss,the Canadians have a lot less trouble with firearm violence but we do tend to stay with rifles.

Behaviot is a little different though, Head of state is at a building so a bloke believed it was clever to stand outside wearing a loaded sidearm.
Our SAS would have given him five seconds to hit the ground with his arms reaching forward.
Of course he would have had the choice to take the hard mob on.
So it isn't the guns,it is people.
Gun crime stats here get skewed by gang crime....they enjoy killing one another.
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Old 01-17-2011, 10:42 PM
 
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So it isn't the guns,it is people.
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Old 01-17-2011, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I believe an important factor in these mass killings where the shooter usually kills himself (as the AZ guy planned to do) is the spread of atheism in America. Today, many people no longer fear eternal consequences for their actions upon this earh because they do not believe in God or that they will face judgement.

Back to the question: I am totally opposed to any infringement of our Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
Atheism is the cause? Most crimes are committed by the religious, so you are just blowing smoke.
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