Gay Men Denied Hotel Room: Christian Bed & Breakfast Owners Found Guilty of Civil Rights Violation

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by Quick Enough

Maybe the law should be changed.

Yeah, those pre-civil rights days were great... huh? Oh, to have the right to sit peacefully at a whites-only restaurant counter again - what a wonderful thing that would be!!

*end sarcasm*

[Ceist]

Originally Posted by Mooseketeer

You bet I would have a problem with Muslims discriminating against anyone. If a Muslim B&B was denying entrance to Christians or anyone else then yep I would have just the same issue. And lobby as hard against it and kick up just as big a fuss.


I would have an issue with an Atheist,Liberal Darwinian excluding Christian Creationists Republican Tea-Partiers just as much.

For some bizarre reasons the right thinks the left has some great love affair with Islam. A ridiculous and baseless assumption. To be frank as an avowed Atheist there is little I find attractive about Islam. Or any religion for that matter. As far as I am concerned they are all as kooky and bizarre as each other and not one of them has a monopoly on the "truth". Fundamentalism is something which as an Atheist I loathe and reject more than any believer .


It scares the hell out of me and unlike most people I have first hand experience of it. My Fiance was blown up by a suicide bomber in Beyrouth over two decades ago so please do not lecture me on Islam or my love for Muslims.


I also have many Muslim friends and have travelled ( and lived) extensively ( as a single female traveller BTW) across the Middle East , and various Muslim Nations such as most of Africa and Indonesia for example so I think I have a fair understanding of Islam in all its guises. From the downright appalling and terrifying and the mundane and everyday , with everything in between.





What I will not put up with however is singling out one religion. As long as people who are religious do not impose on others , and are not a danger to others I feel everyone should be free to worship whoever they like, be it some fairies at the bottom of the garden or tree spirits, Mohammed or Buddha, Christ or the Big Lebowski. Or like myself nobody at all. Freedom of religion and from religion. Which means we treat ALL people equally.





I find social exclusion counter intuitive and quite frankly intellectually disingenuous. It is a form of social bullying and dangerous.


We all have deeply held views and all have the right to argue with those we disagree with. Discrimination however , nobody should have to put up with.

I don't care if the bullies are my side or the other side. I refuse to put up with bullying .

I grew up in a very exclusive environment where the other was meant to be excluded at all costs ( in my case the poor and socially "unacceptable" ) and i rejected this at a pretty early age.


One does not have to belong to an oppressed minority to fight for their rights. I was in a political protest meeting last night in Oxford, to save public libraries from the greedy clutches of our government. And you know what, I don't use my library, never have done really, I have always bought my own books and the issue will not affect me in the slightest. I have always been privileged enough not to have to borrow books or use the free internet service, I am not a Mother and do not need their Toddler storytelling mornings, nor am I a pensioner looking for a little social interaction, I am not homeless and do not need a warm , safe and plesant place to sit and read or use the computer.... I am not a librarian or a janitor and will not lose my job, yet this affects me because it affects them.

I realise that this issue will affect hundreds of thousands of vulnerable people who DO use its services and that it is an invaluable public service. That as a citizen and human being what affects others should be of interest to me. That solidarity is the only way we can engender a modicum of civilised interaction with each others. That's right SOLIDARITY , the big commie word. United we stand, divided we fall. That all of us are part of one big great chain and that the choices we make affect others. That every single one of our action has consequences.


I am not Gay and will stand up for their rights, I am not Muslim and will stand up for their rights, I am not Christian and will stand up for their rights, I am not Black and will stand up for their rights, I am not poor or Homeless and will stand up for their rights too.

If that makes me a kook then so be it. Anti discrimination legislation exists because we need it. As was proven by this case of bigoted B&B owners who thought their religion meant it trumped the Law.


I am fed up of religious people thinking that because they have religion they are somehow excluded from our legal framework and are a special "case". And yes that goes for Muslims too. I am an Atheist which is as valid a philosophy so can my local Humanist club stop to have paying taxes too ? Can we also get special dispensations for things which might upset us ?

And I am a liberal "Pinko/Communist/Socialist" , whatever words you can throw at me.


Whether we like it or not we are all humans, all have rights and duties and should all be treated with equal respect and equal under the law. Unless you are proving a danger to other human beings, or yourself then nobody has the right to discriminate against you.

I dislike many , many people and disapprove of many more . I still do not feel I have the right to impose my own prejudices on others under the law.


I am entitled to my views, I am even entitled to express them but do I have the right to think that because I don't like creationists I am allowed to ban them from my B&B ? Hell no. That is a slippery slope where we revert to good old racism/fascism and institutionalised and socially condonned bullying and ostracisation.

Humanity does need some framework and some civil rights and human rights legislation . These are not there to look pretty but to protect the rights of people not to be denigrated as human beings .


Muslims, Christians, Animists, Atheists, Buddhists, Humanists we are all in this big great boat together, whether we like it or not and whether we like each other or not.

You sound like someone Christians could emulate if they wanted to be more like their Christ.

[LauraC]

The only reason the gay pair should have been discriminated against is if they were in a rock band, on Spring break or with Lindsay Lohan/Charlie Sheen. That would be my criteria for hotel/motel/B&B discrimination and I'm sticking with it.

[Mooseketeer]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

Yeah, those pre-civil rights days were great... huh? Oh, to have the right to sit peacefully at a whites-only restaurant counter again - what a wonderful thing that would be!!

*end sarcasm*

Hear, hear ! It seems some posters look back with nostalgia at the days where it was not only OK but part of mainstream society to discriminate against those for for some reason did not fit the narrow minded mould our tiny brains had come up with.

I am sick and fed up with people who glorify what is basically a return to racist, homophobic, xenophobic, religious bigotry in all its appalling social ramifications.

Personal "freedom" to exclude and socially ostracise, to bully and denigrate at the cost of human and civil rights to me is a complete joke. In pretty poor taste. And not a remotely funny one. We cannot control how people feel and think but we can certainly control their actions. That's what laws and legislations are for.

I am sure many men think forcing themselves upon women is absolutely fine or that beating up the crap out of Jewish/Muslims/ Atheists is a sport which shoudl be allowed. Well I guess taking that personal freedom of theirs away is something I personally celebrate.

[chielgirl]

My question is who would their jesus kick out?
Typical hypocritical religious folk.

Nothing new here.

[newhandle]

The event was in Great Britian folks. It is still legal in the US to deny a hotel room to gays or staights in most states.

[yeahboy79]

This was the right decision. Bigotry even in the name of religion has no place in the United States of America. To those people who say that the hotel should be able to make their own policies etc well I think that's wrong in this case. They can make their own policies but once they exclude or force special provisions upon a group then it becomes illegal. Also, what if these guys weren't even gay and just wanted to share a room so as to save money.

[MsMcQ LV]

Originally Posted by yeahboy79

This was the right decision. Bigotry even in the name of religion has no place in the United States of America. To those people who say that the hotel should be able to make their own policies etc well I think that's wrong in this case. They can make their own policies but once they exclude or force special provisions upon a group then it becomes illegal. Also, what if these guys weren't even gay and just wanted to share a room so as to save money.

I agree with the sentiment. However, this particular case took place in Great Britain and it is my feeling that the original poster's intent in posting the article was to point out the differences in the way gays and lesbians can be treated here (in the US) versus there (in G.B.). There are still 33 states in the US where the B&B owners' actions would be perfectly legal.

[jaykibs]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

It's a sad day when a private company can't reserve the right to refuse service. Especially for religious reasons.

It's a shame that these knuckleheads get to impose their morality on other people like that.

You actually said this....without irony? That is just absolutely hilarious.

[nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by texan2yankee

I agree, TXTwizter. It was their home so they should have the right to refuse service and make the rules.

But why would a gay couple want to give their money to that particular B&B business anyway if the proprietors didn't want them there or respect them?

Yes, I agree with that, I would have said: take your room and shove it up your ass....and your ugly too.

and I would have walked out. Who in their right mind would have wanted to stay and give them ugly ass people your money???