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View Poll Results: ???
Yes 14 14.58%
No 19 19.79%
Not sure 1 1.04%
He changed ? 43 44.79%
He changed, but I can't trust it 13 13.54%
??? 6 6.25%
Voters: 96. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-22-2011, 04:04 AM
 
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and the person that posted before you is smoking the good stuff...

It is impossible to have a mature conversation with a brainwashed liberal.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:44 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Default are you serious? the new Obama????

Obama has not changed in the least.

He remains intact and has ever so slightly shifted shape for political advantage.

Just because Charlie Manson says, 'excuse me' when he burped in the prison lunchroom does not constitute grounds for a pardon. He is still Charlie Manson.

Unbelievable that someone would be naive enough to think Obama has deviated from his granite anchored ideological beliefs. No evidence of any change exists.
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Old 01-22-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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There is always going to be a large block that hate a president and convince themselves he's a radical who's determined to destroy our country. That's an accounted for and generally ignored population in national politics because they will never change their minds. A high percentage of such posters on here fall in that category.

No shortage of people who believed all that about Bush. There is an irrational run on bullets and increase in militia groups whenever a Democrat is elected - happened under Clinton who went down as one of our best. Liberals thought Reagan was horrible after 3 years of a sputtering economy and a midterm election that swept Republicans out of power.

In reality, almost 80% of Democrats want Obama to top the ticket in 2012. Independents are shifting back after an understandably tough 2 years. His approval rating's between 47 - 53% in most polls.

He reconfigured his administration to work with a split Congress and has always worked his centrist ideology well when he needs to, so as long as the economy continues its recovery, he'll be fine.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:11 AM
 
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Default policy opposition doesn't constitute evidence of hate

What about the large block that has no hate for the president ?

Perhaps you are projecting your own hate based philosophy on people who disagree with you?

Do you suppose they might base their position on their observations and come to the stark logical conclusion Obama is insincere and taking America in the wrong direction despite majority opposition?
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:12 AM
 
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This is the same neoliberal Obama that has always existed, and that's not a good thing. Some of the posts in this thread are truly baffling, but not surprising.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:19 AM
 
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What about the large block that has no hate for the president ?

Perhaps you are projecting your own hate based philosophy on people who disagree with you?

Do you suppose they might base their position on their observations and come to the stark logical conclusion Obama is insincere and taking America in the wrong direction despite majority opposition?
My apologies - I wasn't talking about actually hating the president. Most people like Bush as a person and most people like Obama as a person. I meant "hate" in the political sense of presuming that everything he does is horrible and has some ulterior motive to destroy the country for some puppeteer overlord or whatever people believe.

Just saw on CNN that poll-of-polls has Obama's approval rating at 52% and his disapproval at 42%. I'm sure it will go up and down with legislation, but that's pretty extraordinary for all the chaos he's had to fix.
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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I was very disappointed that Mr. Obama campaigned on a platform of bi-partisanship, and then spent the first two years of his term being (in my opinion) an extremely partisan president. I think the bi-partisanship he showed during the lame duck session was a good step in the right direction, but I will reserve my final opinion for another year or so.
I'm fed up with this "bi"partisanship" kick! We need to get back to the Constitution and base all positions on 1) what is right and constitutional, 2) if it is wrong it is wrong and reject same and 3) no compromise unless there is no right and wrong to the matter at hand and the final "blended" outcome doesn't really matter as long as it is Constitutional.

"Bipartisanship and/or compromise" are never the answer if there is a right and wrong to an issue. Some people need to learn the difference and have the "guts" to stand up for right. When there is a "right" the compromise or bipartisanship will screw it up!
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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I'm fed up with this "bi"partisanship" kick! We need to get back to the Constitution and base all positions on 1) what is right and constitutional, 2) if it is wrong it is wrong and reject same and 3) no compromise unless there is no right and wrong to the matter at hand and the final "blended" outcome doesn't really matter as long as it is Constitutional.

"Bipartisanship and/or compromise" are never the answer if there is a right and wrong to an issue. Some people need to learn the difference and have the "guts" to stand up for right. When there is a "right" the compromise or bipartisanship will screw it up!
Absolutely! It's time we get these Tea Party folks out of the way and let government "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises to ... provide for the general Welfare of the United States" as was mandated by the founding fathers in the Constitution!
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:47 AM
 
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You're missing the wise political strategy behind his actions. With history as guide (such as the Dems sweeping Republicans out in the midterm just 2 years after a sweeping Republican victory in 1980) he knew he had 2 years to work with a Democratic House and Senate. He had to tool his administration to work with a liberal Congress to pass legislation.

Now, he's tooling his administration to work with a split Congress. In all honesty, it's just a sign of strong leadership.
Bull! He's just continuing his "false-front" to get re-elected so he can then go back to his real agenda...shoving crap down the throats of all of us so he can continue destroying our America by, for instance, "give rebirth to the Union agenda" and building up his "spread-the-wealth," "third-world-country" agenda! This mentality with proven-to-destroy-countries agenda based upon socialist/communist takeover is very dangerous to our American. It needs to be stopped in its track...NOW!
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:50 AM
 
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Bull! He's just continuing his "false-front" to get re-elected so he can then go back to his real agenda...shoving crap down the throats of all of us so he can continue destroying our America by, for instance, "give rebirth to the Union agenda" and building up his "spread-the-wealth," "third-world-country" agenda! This mentality with proven-to-destroy-countries agenda based upon socialist/communist takeover is very dangerous to our American. It needs to be stopped in its track...NOW!
Obama is not significantly different from our past 3 presidents, and the implication that he is either a socialist or communist is ludicrous. He is 100% capitalist.
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