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Try what again? Ask the same questions? Einstein may be too logical to be heard here. And trust me, you shouldn't worry about Einstein, just respond to the questions as asked. I need your opinion to further the discussion. Can't do it? Say so.
I don't answer questions based upon false premises. Waste of time. Try to concentrate here. I listed the platforms of the LP as opposed to the false assumptions in the OP.
My answers to you are in the platforms of the LP I listed here. Try reading them. I don't see any evidence from too many others that support the OP as true Libertarian positions from the LP.org itself. Do you?
Corporations are made of people. Why would a group of people working in a corporation not have the right to be protected just like an individual?
And corporations are not more corrupt than any other entity. And they are much less corrupt than government. Just consider the history of governments. They are the most corrupt entities in history. Government brought us slavery, wars, restrictions on freedom, and they take our money and waste it.
Thank you for responding to the questions.
Corporations' rights were not protected in the constitution, and for a good reason. They are not people. They weren't dealt with "rights". They were dealt with "charters". Next what, a run at office?
On the issue of corruption, how do you think corruption makes it into the government? Could you provide an example or two?
Corporations' rights were not protected in the constitution, and for a good reason. They are not people. They weren't dealt with "rights". They were dealt with "charters". Next what, a run at office?
On the issue of corruption, how do you think corruption makes it into the government? Could you provide an example or two?
One recent perfect example:
All of the exceptions given to scores of corporations and unions from the mandate of Obamacare through "waivers"...Wonderful.. You have it backwards. It is government that corrupts people, corporations and unions, not the other way around.
The Obama administration is already carving out exemptions to Obamacare, in order to allow some employers (like McDonald's) to provide very minimal coverage to employees, far below the law's standards. According to NYT, the administration has already granted 30 such waivers to various organizations.
The administration is already having to deal with private insurers who say they will scale back their coverage if they can't get flexibility on laws that compel them to cover every sick child.
Obamacare -- which could be loosely characterized as a scheme to compel the private sector to cover everyone -- is going to fail. It's hardly begun, and they're already granting exemptions.
And then there are corrupt unions:
Unions make up 40 percent of employees exempted from Obamacare | David Freddoso | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/unions-make-40-percent-employees-exempted-obamacare - broken link)
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<H1>Unions make up 40 percent of employees exempted from Obamacare
Yesterday, the Deparment of Health and Human Services announced it had granted more than 500 new waivers to Obamacare's requirement that health plans have annual limits of no less than $750,000. This annual limit requirement climbs to $1.25 million next year and then to $2 million.
The reason these exemptions from the law are needed is that Obamacare forces all health insurance consumers to over-insure themselves and pay high premiums as a result. Without the waivers, many companies, non-profits and unions would simply drop their health plans. As of 2014, the waivers will no longer be available -- at least, that's the way the law is written.
It is worth noting that there are 166 union benefits funds now exempted from this requirement, which account for about 40 percent of the exempted workers. This means that although there are only 14.6 million unionized employees in the United States, and 860,000 of them are already exempted from this provision of Obamacare.
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THere is a complete list in the above link.
Read more at the Washington Examiner: Unions make up 40 percent of employees exempted from Obamacare | David Freddoso | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/01/unions-make-40-percent-employees-exempted-obamacare#ixzz1CvkeFma3 - broken link)
So, this is a perfect example of how government is corrupting both Unions and Corporations. The people in power collect political contributions from the named groups, then get political favors from the powers in government. This borders upon Fascism:
Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission. Levels of consumption were dictated by the state, and “excess” incomes had to be surrendered as taxes or “loans.”
Fascism embodied corporatism, in which political representation was based on trade and industry rather than on geography. In this, fascism revealed its roots in syndicalism, a form of socialism originating on the left. The government cartelized firms of the same industry, with representatives of labor and management serving on myriad local, regional, and national boards—subject always to the final authority of the dictator’s economic plan.
To maintain high employment and minimize popular discontent, fascist governments also undertook massive public-works projects financed by steep taxes, borrowing, and fiat money creation. While many of these projects were domestic—roads, buildings, stadiums—the largest project of all was militarism, with huge armies and arms production.
In the United States, beginning in 1933, the constellation of government interventions known as the New Deal had features suggestive of the corporate state. The National Industrial Recovery Act created code authorities and codes of practice that governed all aspects of manufacturing and commerce. The National Labor Relations Act made the federal government the final arbiter in labor issues. The Agricultural Adjustment Act introduced central planning to farming. The object was to reduce competition and output in order to keep prices and incomes of particular groups from falling during the Great Depression.
Be careful what you wish for, it just may be a Fascist State.
All of the exceptions given to scores of corporations and unions from the mandate of Obamacare through "waivers"...Wonderful.. You have it backwards. It is government that corrupts people, corporations and unions, not the other way around.
Good to see you're willing to speak from both ends, and without shame. So, what has stopped you from answering my questions? You know about corporations deserving of the same rights as the people. Do you support that idea?
After you've done that, answer this: why would government favor corporations? Is there something to gain from doing so?
Good to see you're willing to speak from both ends, and without shame. So, what has stopped you from answering my questions? You know about corporations deserving of the same rights as the people. Do you support that idea?
After you've done that, answer this: why would government favor corporations? Is there something to gain from doing so?
How many times must I write I answered your questions with the LP Platforms Go back and read them They are the answers you asked for here.
As for this question:
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After you've done that, answer this: why would government favor corporations? Is there something to gain from doing so?[/
Surely you must know yourself. Money generates power and power generates money. I showed you this in the post about Unions and Corporations getting expemption "waivers" from Obamacare.
Now, you explain how the example above isn't a nice little cozy relationship that benfits both as we find in Fascist relationships as I showed in a post above. The reason it is more dangerous for government to do this is because government has the power over corporations and it is the government that calls the shots. So you have it backwards, it is government that creates and perpetuates the corruption, not the corporations.
You use these terms and never define them. They are not legitimate political terms unless you care to generalize about those who particpate in the process.
So are you saying you dont know that they stand for?
The American Wild West and Ireland 600 years ago (during the time it was conquered by the Normans) are the best examples Libertarians can point to as their ideals in action...
That's the most pathetic/hilarious thing I've heard all Year.
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The American Wild West and Ireland (during the time it was conquered by the Normans) are the best examples Libertarians can point to as their ideals in action...
Actually, the civilized portion of America in wild west times (more specifically the quarter-century from Emancipation in 1865 to the advent of antitrust law in 1890) would be what libertarians would point to as an ideal.
How many times must I write I answered your questions with the LP Platforms Go back and read them They are the answers you asked for here.
I didn't ask for LP platform. I certainly can find "links" if I needed to. When I'm here, I expect participants opinion. Posting links is fine, if you can debate on them. Have you done that? No, you've only run around the questions. Try again.
Actually, the civilized portion of America in wild west times (more specifically the quarter-century from Emancipation in 1865 to the advent of antitrust law in 1890) would be what libertarians would point to as an ideal.
Oh yes, Judge Roy Bean and the land West of the Pecos....how inspiring.
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