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Old 04-19-2013, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I have what seems like a pretty simple and effective way to address crime involving firearms. One that doesn't impact law abiding gun owners. Why not simply make the theft of a firearm a federal felony with a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. No plea bargins, no fines, go directly to jail. Add to that possession of a stolen firearm (with a reasonable mechanism to allow someone to determine that a gun was not stolen, such as a database with SNs only for guns reported as lost or stolen). Make the penalty for such a crime severe enough that criminals won't want want anything to do with firearms theft.

Seems like a simple idea. It punishes only the criminal and protects the rights of the law abiding. It should help keep the largest source of guns out of the hands of violent criminals. It also helps law abiding gun owners by offering a deterrant to theft of their property.

What say you? Can you buy into this? Or will you only accept "gun control" that punishes the law abiding?
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Walton County, GA
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I like 20 years better.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:05 AM
 
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I don't have an opinion, just a question.

What happens if the stolen gun is sold in the private market to an unsuspecting Joe?

What happens to prosecutorial discretion?
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I have what seems like a pretty simple and effective way to address crime involving firearms. One that doesn't impact law abiding gun owners. Why not simply make the theft of a firearm a federal felony with a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. No plea bargins, no fines, go directly to jail. Add to that possession of a stolen firearm (with a reasonable mechanism to allow someone to determine that a gun was not stolen, such as a database with SNs only for guns reported as lost or stolen). Make the penalty for such a crime severe enough that criminals won't want want anything to do with firearms theft.

Seems like a simple idea. It punishes only the criminal and protects the rights of the law abiding. It should help keep the largest source of guns out of the hands of violent criminals. It also helps law abiding gun owners by offering a deterrant to theft of their property.

What say you? Can you buy into this? Or will you only accept "gun control" that punishes the law abiding?
It won't happen because it makes too much sense.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I don't have an opinion, just a question.

What happens if the stolen gun is sold in the private market to an unsuspecting Joe?

What happens to prosecutorial discretion?
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with a reasonable mechanism to allow someone to determine that a gun was not stolen, such as a database with SNs only for guns reported as lost or stolen
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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I don't have an opinion, just a question.

What happens if the stolen gun is sold in the private market to an unsuspecting Joe?

What happens to prosecutorial discretion?

As I said:

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(with a reasonable mechanism to allow someone to determine that a gun was not stolen, such as a database with SNs only for guns reported as lost or stolen).
I'm not exactly sure how to impliment this. What happens if you buy a used gun, check the database and it's not on it. Then it gets reported stolen and added at a later date? Open to suggestions.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:29 AM
 
Location: North America
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I have what seems like a pretty simple and effective way to address crime involving firearms. One that doesn't impact law abiding gun owners. Why not simply make the theft of a firearm a federal felony with a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. No plea bargins, no fines, go directly to jail. Add to that possession of a stolen firearm (with a reasonable mechanism to allow someone to determine that a gun was not stolen, such as a database with SNs only for guns reported as lost or stolen). Make the penalty for such a crime severe enough that criminals won't want want anything to do with firearms theft.

Seems like a simple idea. It punishes only the criminal and protects the rights of the law abiding. It should help keep the largest source of guns out of the hands of violent criminals. It also helps law abiding gun owners by offering a deterrant to theft of their property.

What say you? Can you buy into this? Or will you only accept "gun control" that punishes the law abiding?

Sure, I can agree with that.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
I have what seems like a pretty simple and effective way to address crime involving firearms. One that doesn't impact law abiding gun owners. Why not simply make the theft of a firearm a federal felony with a mandatory 10 year prison sentence. No plea bargins, no fines, go directly to jail. Add to that possession of a stolen firearm (with a reasonable mechanism to allow someone to determine that a gun was not stolen, such as a database with SNs only for guns reported as lost or stolen). Make the penalty for such a crime severe enough that criminals won't want want anything to do with firearms theft.

Seems like a simple idea. It punishes only the criminal and protects the rights of the law abiding. It should help keep the largest source of guns out of the hands of violent criminals. It also helps law abiding gun owners by offering a deterrant to theft of their property.

What say you? Can you buy into this? Or will you only accept "gun control" that punishes the law abiding?
Sounds good to me. I can come right back at you with the logic of: Any long sentence won't mean anything to a criminal on the run or a druggie that is so high that he cannot comprehend the severity of it.
Thus we don't need this law. Same logic i have seen against background checks.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Walton County, GA
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A database to track is very doable, but, the government wont allow it. It would involve not having names listed.

There was a business many years back that leased out bank vault boxes but was tracked by a number and key. No names were use. Government did not like and shut that down. Big bro's gotta know!
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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The NRA has supported making punishment for those who break the law stronger but the problem is, if the government refuses in so many cases to enforce the current laws, once again, how will making even more laws solve anything?

If the government would simply enforce current laws it would make a difference. Rather than do that though, they wanted to put more restrictions on law abiding citizens.
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