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Islamist idiots threaten violence for everything they don't like.. MAYBE, WE should threaten violence if they DON"T release our diplomat. Maybe burn a few effigies of mahammed, or osama, or their flag.. See how they like a couple hundred million of gun toting, knife wielding, torch carrying Americans looking for Islamic idiots.
He's not worth it. He's collatoral damage and he knows it.
Also what would you do in this country if a Paskatani with special operations training opened fire, killed two Americans with a unlicensed gun and was later found to have pictures of restricted military and national security sites?
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An American trying to get justice in another Country for whatever reason, Good Luck. Their justice stystems are not in the least like ours. A fair trial, i doubt an American would get one. This case i don't think he could get a fair trial at all. These people are not fair people to begin with.
You mean like Awal Gul, the other 7 who are now dead and the other 48 "indefinite detainees" who have been imprisoned for upwards of 10 years without even being charged, let alone given a trial?
That is the problem with things like indefinite detention and torture, when it ends up getting used against us, crying foul is meaningless when the world turns and points at us.
On January 27th 2011, Raymond Davis, who the US State Department states is a member of the American diplomatic staff, shot and killed 2 Pakistani motorcyclists at a traffic stop in Lahore, Pakistan claiming they were armed and about to rob him, although both were shot in the back through the windshield of Davis's car. It was reported that Davis then exited his vehicle and took pictures of both individuals with his cell phone. Davis was reported to be driving a private rental car, carrying an unlicensed weapon, telescope and also be in possession of a camera with pictures of official Pakistani government sites. A third Pakistani was killed when a U.S. consular car alleged to have been dispatched to help Davis crushed to death another motorcyclist while speeding along the wrong side of the road
Pakistan is saying also that these two shot were working for Pakistan intelligence.
He's not worth it. He's collatoral damage and he knows it.
Also what would you do in this country if a Paskatani with special operations training opened fire, killed two Americans with a unlicensed gun and was later found to have pictures of restricted military and national security sites?
Nobody has offered a plausible explanation of what an American "Diplomat" with a Special Forces background was doing with a gun, and the other equipment.
How many "Diplomats" have Special Forces traning, carry a gun, have radio contact to call for backup and carry photographic equipment?
At this point "Plausible Deniability" may be in place and this guy will receive limited assistance from the United States Government. Chances are he already knows this.
If true that he was spying that usually doesn't revoke diplomatic immunity....they are usually just expelled from the country for spying.
But Pakistan is saying he didn't have immunity.
Pakistan's Foreign Office had initially declared that Raymond did not enjoy diplomatic immunity. A couple of petitions have also been filed against his diplomatic status and his possible handing-over to the US by the Lahore High Court.
If true that he was spying that usually doesn't revoke diplomatic immunity....they are usually just expelled from the country for spying.
But Pakistan is saying he didn't have immunity.
He may have been spying. As you said, it doesn't change his immunity status. We know from Wikileaks that Hillary told all of our diplomats to gather information, and that's on top of the fact that every Embassy has spies in it (ours and theirs).
The story here isn't that the Pakistani government doesn't want to release him. The story is that they are scared of their own people if they release him. No official in Pakistan wants to get murdered by jihadists like the governor of their largest province did just weeks ago -- by his own bodyguard detail. This is a country where radicals exert influence at every level of power. Now they are claiming the detained American official committed blasphemy, which is a death sentence over there.
He may have been spying. As you said, it doesn't change his immunity status. We know from Wikileaks that Hillary told all of our diplomats to gather information, and that's on top of the fact that every Embassy has spies in it (ours and theirs).
The story here isn't that the Pakistani government doesn't want to release him. The story is that they are scared of their own people if they release him. No official in Pakistan wants to get murdered by jihadists like the governor of their largest province did just weeks ago -- by his own bodyguard detail. This is a country where radicals exert influence at every level of power. Now they are claiming the detained American official committed blasphemy, which is a death sentence over there.
You have no evidence of that. Pakistan could have a good evidence he wasn't certified as someone who had Diplomatic immunity. I'm SURE the US claims he does and has retrieved or "recently created" all the documents to argue their case.
Nobody has offered a plausible explanation of what an American "Diplomat" with a Special Forces background was doing with a gun, and the other equipment.
How many "Diplomats" have Special Forces traning, carry a gun, have radio contact to call for backup and carry photographic equipment?
At this point "Plausible Deniability" may be in place and this guy will receive limited assistance from the United States Government. Chances are he already knows this.
First I've heard of his background though I'll admit I haven't been following the story. It certainly adds another wrinkle to things.
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