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Old 02-18-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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Free Viagra is for the greater good? Really? If you tell me it is for the children I'll have to call you a bad name.
LOL! You're Good! Would have repped you but have to spread it around.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:34 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Well, like all such articles, you have to read it, not just the title. From the link:

The average salary for an MPS teacher is $56,500. When fringe benefits are factored in, the annual compensation will be $100,005 in 2011

Then you're supposed to watch some 3 min. vid, which I might, but DH is watching a movie on TV right now. Seriously, I hate these videos. A friend of mine worked in HR for a large heavy manufacturing company. He told me bennies are usually figured as about 25% of salary. Now you can total up every possible benefit, and assume that every employee uses every one of them, every year, and maybe you'd come up with roughly 100% of salary. However that assumes that every employee uses tuition assistance, every one of their sick days, every one of their personal days, every funeral day, worker's comp, disability, 401K, etc to the fullest. I once worked for a place that touted Social Security payments as a company benefit.
One would hope they wouldn't use every single sick day. The key difference though is that they have all these goodies available on the backs of the taxpayers and financially broke governments.

I wonder if Wisconsin teachers are allowed to accrue their sick days and cash them in at the end of their career. If so, add that to the list of benefits.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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One would hope they wouldn't use every single sick day. The key difference though is that they have all these goodies available on the backs of the taxpayers and financially broke governments.

I wonder if Wisconsin teachers are allowed to accrue their sick days and cash them in at the end of their career. If so, add that to the list of benefits.
Our educational system is broken and the teachers big concern is collective bargaining. We would probably be better off if a few of them took more sick days, I bet the subs are more motivated.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:42 PM
 
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Our educational system is broken and the teachers big concern is collective bargaining. We would probably be better off if a few of them took more sick days, I bet the subs are more motivated.
What about cop, firefighter and state trooper unions? They are overpaid at least here in CA. Or is it selective?

I place teachers way up on the food chain. They are the foundation of the future of this country, if it is to have any.

I'd be condescending to any other union way before I'd be to the grievances of the teachers who work for peanuts and do the most important job in this country often in terrible school environments.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Free Viagra is for the greater good? Really? If you tell me it is for the children I'll have to call you a bad name.
Gee, Did Fox Noise tell you these protests were about getting Viagra benefits or something?
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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One would hope they wouldn't use every single sick day. The key difference though is that they have all these goodies available on the backs of the taxpayers and financially broke governments.

I wonder if Wisconsin teachers are allowed to accrue their sick days and cash them in at the end of their career. If so, add that to the list of benefits.
I'm just saying, if you add up every possible benefit and assume that every teacher uses all of them every year, you might come up with $45K worth of bennies. However, the general rule of thumb is 25% of salary.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:46 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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What about cop, firefighter and state trooper unions? They are overpaid at least here in CA. Or is it selective?

I place teachers way up on the food chain. They are the foundation of the future of this country, if it is to have any.

I'd be condescending to any other union way before I'd be to the grievances of the teachers who work for peanuts and do the most important job in this country often in terrible school environments.
Exactly, which is why we need to replace the bad teachers.

It is an important job and the environment can be very tough (especially in inner cities), however I wouldn't put them on the same level as cops and firefighters.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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What about cop, firefighter and state trooper unions? They are overpaid at least here in CA. Or is it selective?

I place teachers way up on the food chain. They are the foundation of the future of this country, if it is to have any.

I'd be condescending to any other union way before I'd be to the grievances of the teachers who work for peanuts and do the most important job in this country often in terrible school environments.
As I have pointed out several times, they will be next. Look at NJ, we got the teachers union under control then moved on to the police.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:49 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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As I have pointed out several times, they will be next. Look at NJ, we got the teachers union under control then moved on to the police.
Not until Christie releases his budget and pushes his merit-pay plan. Then we should prepare for more whining and foot stomping.
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Old 02-18-2011, 08:52 PM
 
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Exactly, which is why we need to replace the bad teachers.

It is an important job and the environment can be very tough (especially in inner cities), however I wouldn't put them on the same level as cops and firefighters.
I wouldn't put cops and firefighters on the same level as teachers. Teachers should be way above in the pecking order. Teachers have it worse and do more for the society at large.

But I just wanted to know why not break up cop unions first? They retire with obscene pensions. Nothing that a lowly teacher would ever see money wise.
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