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Old 04-08-2011, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Some believe that health care, like everything else, should be price rationed and restricted to the people that can afford to pay. That is Mammon's Way and they worship the sacred rules of the market. PS: The same people also own funeral homes and cemeteries.

Some believe that health care, like everything else, should be price rationed and restricted to the people that can afford to pay. That is Mammon's Way and they worship the sacred rules of the market. PS: The same people also own funeral homes and cemeteries.

I do not support Obamacare because it is not enough reform. I believe the private sector should be eliminated from funding health care. To me it is immoral to make money providing care for the ill. This is a service that should be done at cost. The cost should include salaries and materials but exclude return on investment. In particular private insurance companies should not be involved. These are nothing but fixed casinos where the house always wins.

Last edited by GregW; 04-08-2011 at 06:41 AM..
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Old 04-08-2011, 06:41 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Libs keep making this a 'black and white' issue hoping to employ a 'racist like' strategy to support exaggerated theories that paint everyone in one group as being of the same mind.

Republicans don't want healthcare reform??????????????

Everyone wants healthcare reform just not the flavor of Obamacare.

In fact Obamacare is not even worth discussing after admission by legislators that they neither read nor understood all the implications of the law they passed. This is equivalent to signing a contract before the contract was written. In my book the reps who signed approval should be fired and their pensions and medical insurance taken away. To say you have to pass it to see what's in it, is beyond belief. How is this woman still representing an electorate. Her words were clearly directed to 'little children' who need the attention of a perpetual caretaker.

Obamacare barely touches healthcare issues as much as it changes society, government and the economy. The 'riders' salted into Obamacare are stunning in their irrelevance to healthcare.

Obamacare is a trojan horse for a socialist agenda nothing more.

So yes we are still desperate for healthcare reform as Obamacare was precast for other purposes.
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Old 04-08-2011, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Well geez, I guess Medicare, Medicaid (taking about 70% of the federal budget), and The Emergency Medical Treatment Act existed only in an alternative universe. And the health care "system" has not changed that I have seen.
Can we have an educated debate? One line summaries "Republicans bad, democrats good" don't cut it unless your educational level ended at the 2nd grade.

Edit - actually Medicare did change under Bush in 2002 or 3, which he added about $500 billion to the program for drug subsidieries for the poor, elderly.
Medicare and Medicaid are NOT 70% of the federal budget and never have been.
Medicare and Medicaid are partially funded by payroll taxes.
Only a percentage of its funding is from the general fund.
Please provide your links.

Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go? — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP: Three health insurance programs — Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) — will together account for 21 percent of the budget in 2010, or $753 billion.

US Federal Budget - How the FY 2012 Social Security Budget and Health Care Budget Affects the US Economy
Unlike Social Security, Medicare payroll taxes and premiums cover only 57% of current benefits. The remaining 43% is financed from general revenues. Because of rising health care costs, general revenues would have to pay for 62% of Medicare costs by 2030. As with Social Security, the tax base is insufficient to pay for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)
Taxes imposed to finance MedicareMedicare is partially financed by payroll taxes imposed by the Federal Insurance Contributions Act (FICA) and the Self-Employment Contributions Act of 1954. In the case of employees, the tax is equal to 2.9% (1.45% withheld from the worker and a matching 1.45% paid by the employer) of the wages, salaries and other compensation in connection with employment
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Just let availability be price rationed in an open cash market without any health insurance. The people that can afford the care will get the care and the suppliers will be paid whatever the traffic will bear. I suggest TEXAS would be a good place for this to be tried as it has a very diverse and prosperous economy. The results should be very interesting.
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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they can never refuse anyone in an emergency...i Know many people that make a racket out of it and they think Its Funny ripping off the hospitals....they go in give a fake name and never are heard from again.
nobody is refused
Why would anybody feel the need to grab a fake name if ER can't refuse anybody? Besides, thanks to Reagan, ER is open to everybody, the cost and waste in hundreds of billions in dollar is where the tax payers and insurance holders show up. Don't YOU love it?
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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eliminat all insurance..and eliminate the government from health care..watch costs go WAY down
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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eliminat all insurance..and eliminate the government from health care..watch costs go WAY down
Talk is cheap. Scratch that... talk is free.
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Talk is cheap. Scratch that... talk is free.
yep

but what has driven the actual costs up....insurance, government, the fed (especially government enduced inflation)


prices were so much more affordable 40 years ago before insurance and union mandates...30 years ago when hospitalization was the insurance, costs were much more afforable....
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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yep

but what has driven the actual costs up....insurance, government, the fed (especially government enduced inflation)


prices were so much more affordable 40 years ago before insurance and union mandates...30 years ago when hospitalization was the insurance, costs were much more afforable....
I'm assuming there was no government 30 years ago and things changed suddenly?
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Old 04-08-2011, 07:43 AM
 
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yep

but what has driven the actual costs up....insurance, government, the fed (especially government enduced inflation)


prices were so much more affordable 40 years ago before insurance and union mandates...30 years ago when hospitalization was the insurance, costs were much more afforable....
Then the question would be how to get back to that era? I don't see that happening. You could make the argument that 100 years ago it was much better with less drug regulation etc. A goat and a chicken could close the deal with the town doc.
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