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It's funny how the real debate concerning health care has never been acceptable for decades. Nixon wanted UHC but was rebuffed very quickly. We all remember the Clinton Health care inititive and it was killed with a viscious political fight. Funny, Obama's health care bill is exactly like the republican counter proposal during the Clinton years. And now we have the current mess. The democrat plan did little more than put lipstick on a pig and the republican plan offers nothing but more of the same.
In fact the Republican plan is very similar to Obamacare but without the requirement to buy insurance. Neither party has a plan which addresses the systemic problems that the current system has.
The whole health care debate is divided into two factions. One faction believes that a nation's society has a moral responsibility to collectively care for the health of it's citizens. The other faction believes that it is immoral to have their tax dollars go to some who would recieve the benefits of UHC for free. They feel no obligation to society for the health of the nation.
Social Responsibility vs. Personal Responsibility. The two sides are diametricly opposed.
The whole health care debate is divided into two factions. One faction believes that a nation's society has a moral responsibility to collectively care for the health of it's citizens. The other faction believes that it is immoral to have their tax dollars go to some who would recieve the benefits of UHC for free. They feel no obligation to society for the health of the nation.
Social Responsibility vs. Personal Responsibility. The two sides are diametricly opposed.
I would agree with you .... but .....
Every time I ask the question on here whether those who are opposed to UHC would refuse to treat people without insurance and who are sick or who have had an accident the answer is no. Almost all think that those people should receive care. Admittedly there are some who seem to think that charity can do the job but, in general, they are supportive of providing some kind of care.
So, you have to ask the question why people refuse to consider reforming the system to make it more efficient when it is their tax dollars and their insurance premiums which are funding the inefficiencies.
Every time I ask the question on here whether those who are opposed to UHC would refuse to treat people without insurance and who are sick or who have had an accident the answer is no. Almost all think that those people should receive care. Admittedly there are some who seem to think that charity can do the job but, in general, they are supportive of providing some kind of care.
So, you have to ask the question why people refuse to consider reforming the system to make it more efficient when it is their tax dollars and their insurance premiums which are funding the inefficiencies.
And there you have it. participation in HCR boils down to "Who's Ox gets gored" and the system is so twisted in how it works and who gets what, as far as care or profits, that any way you move, someone's ox get's gored. Generally these people have a very strong lobby. Joe Leiberman is a good example of singlehandedly defeating the ability for the US to pool their participients to get lower drug costs. He did it for the state of Conn. where all the drug companies are located.
Really? So a system that has the highest number of uninsured individuals doesn't need improvement? What if said system also causes people to go bankrupt?
Why would everyone get mediocre care? Europeans, Asians, and Canadians don't seem to get mediocre care.
Sorry, but by most metrics the system is not a good system.
Who cares if they have insurance? Let's take a look at their HEALTH first and how they are treated when they are sick. Santa Claus could buy everyone a policy in the USA and it isn't going to do a thing to make anyone healthier.
Our priorities in this country are all screwed up! For starters we should ban all poisening of our air food and water. That means no more chemtrails; no more fluoride; no more GMO's and ideally no more pesticides. If we all could have access to clean food and water we'd all be a lot healthier.
Having an insurance policy that just pays for drugs and surgery isn't going to restore anyone's health. Look at the damage antibiotics do: they ruin the good bacteria in your digestive tract making it harder for you to absorb and assimilate nutrients in your food. Has anyone ever had a medical doctor tell them that and help them mitigate the damage done after taking antibiotics? I think probably not. If so they are the exception to the rule.
The lack of insurance is not the problem. The lack of awareness of what constitutes effective health care delivery for chronic and degenerative diseases is the problem. The sooner Americans wake up and realize that medical doctors are not trained in this area and seek out the experts who are, as Europeans and Asians do, the sooner we can enjoy better health like those in other countries do.
Also, it shouldn't be so difficult to see that if you feed yourself garbage you are going to end up with garbage or sickness NOT HEALTH.
Who cares if they have insurance? Let's take a look at their HEALTH first and how they are treated when they are sick. Santa Claus could buy everyone a policy in the USA and it isn't going to do a thing to make anyone healthier.
Our priorities in this country are all screwed up! For starters we should ban all poisening of our air food and water. That means no more chemtrails; no more fluoride; no more GMO's and ideally no more pesticides. If we all could have access to clean food and water we'd all be a lot healthier.
Having an insurance policy that just pays for drugs and surgery isn't going to restore anyone's health. Look at the damage antibiotics do: they ruin the good bacteria in your digestive tract making it harder for you to absorb and assimilate nutrients in your food. Has anyone ever had a medical doctor tell them that and help them mitigate the damage done after taking antibiotics? I think probably not. If so they are the exception to the rule.
The lack of insurance is not the problem. The lack of awareness of what
constitutes effective health care delivery for chronic and degenerative diseases is the problem. The sooner Americans wake up and realize that medical doctors are not trained in this area and seek out the experts who are, as Europeans and Asians do, the sooner we can enjoy better health like those in other countries do.
Also, it shouldn't be so difficult to see that if you feed yourself garbage you are going to end up with garbage or sickness NOT HEALTH.
So we shouldn't have insurance since it won't make us healthier? It actually would. Put it this way, people without insurance or the ability to go to a hospital are more likely to wait when at the last minute, severely reducing survival rate (later detection for cancer, letting that persistent cough go longer, etc.) People reduce their quality of life by not detecting things early enough. They weigh the economics vs. their health. Typically, they feel that they will somehow just be okay.
No more chemicals or fluoride? This is ridiculous. Fluoride has been proven time and time again to be helpful in keeping our teeth healthy. Chemicals also mimic things found in nature. A good example is aspirin. It is essentially the same chemical composition as willow bark.
There are no chemtrails. There is no such thing. That is not a real thing.
Without antibiotics we would have a MUCH higher mortality rate.
American doctors are VERY well trained. Training starts on day one in Biology 1. Trust me on that. The weeding out process occurs on the first midterm of freshman year of college all the way to up to residency many years later. Becoming a doctor in America is not an easy proposition.
Health is a combination of lifestyle as well as medicine. I think that it's time to take off the tin hat and realize the greater world around you.
Declare that healthcare is NOT a right;
As a civilized society we CHOOSE to provide a base level of care to those who can't afford it;
Expand Medicaid to include a larger number of uninsured (excluding illegals);
Transition Midicaid to managed care and away from fee-for-service;
Decrease government involvement in ALL aspects of care;
Introduce market forces to drive down prices;
Reward results, not the volume of care.
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