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Post went missing, anyways the point was missed. Read the 2nd and 3rd updates on your link.
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As I said at the top of the post, I’ve put up a new essay this morning discussing exactly how teachers’ unions do improve student performance, and why.
For the record, to prove your friend's salary, you first posted a link to the Chicago Public Schools salary schedule. When that one didn't work, you linked to NYC's salary schedule.
So, yeah, I'm betting your (imaginary??) friend isn't a NYC teacher and isn't making $75k/yr with only two years of experience.
No.. I didnt need to prove my friends salary.. I dont give a rats patute if you believe me or not.. I posted links showing that teachers CAN and DO earn $75K in some parts of the country in only 2 years into their employment.. You are right, my friend isnt a NYC teacher, but that doesnt mean they dont earn it.. Remember you guys said ITS IMPOSSIBLE that they earn it.. I clearly displayed that its not.. And the fact that you think my friend doesnt earn it, well thats your problem.. not mine..
I am not going to double down and start tap dancing. Who are you to mock others? Would most Wisconsin students pass the SATs? Do you know the difference between "there" and "they're"? Were you educated in Wisconsin?
Absolutely, pommys right.
Politofact called union's high test scores claims BS, and the union took the info off their website after they were called on it:
No.. I didnt need to prove my friends salary.. I dont give a rats patute if you believe me or not.. I posted links showing that teachers CAN and DO earn $75K in some parts of the country in only 2 years into their employment.. You are right, my friend isnt a NYC teacher, but that doesnt mean they dont earn it.. Remember you guys said ITS IMPOSSIBLE that they earn it.. I clearly displayed that its not.. And the fact that you think my friend doesnt earn it, well thats your problem.. not mine..
Nice spin, but the point is you claimed you knew someone who made that kind of money and you didn't. You made it up.
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Wait, you just said the chart was unrealistic, and now you are saying my friend isnt making what the chart says.. Are you telling me NYC doesnt know what they pay their teachers and they created a chart just to mislead anonymous posters on a web-forum? Why would they do that?
And you continue to pretend you know my friends.. Carry on..
What a stupid argument. You obviously have a friend who makes 75K a year as a teacher. I believe you on that and I think it's stupid people are calling you on that. I don't like how you approach your arguments but I wouldn't call you a liar!
1) I dont think $250,000 is near poverty
2) Someone can say that $250,000 is near povery if they are comparing it to others IN THE SAME job sector. If you are making $50,000 a year and the guy next to you is making $500,000 a year, wouldnt you again ask for more? Wouldnt you claim you were underpaid because the guy next to you was earning more? Now what if you were to find out the owner of your company was making $500,000 a year? Doesnt that change the argument? To pretend it doesnt again is silly.. You can call me silly, but I understand that different jobs call for different wages, why dont you understand this and why on gods earth dont you recognize the crazyness in comparing wages from 2 DIFFERENT jobs
That depends on the definition of the word "poverty".. It means poor but it also means lacking, insufficient.. Yes a CEO earning $50,000,000 can be called "poverty" even though they are rich.. there is more than 1 definition to the word..
Normally they dont because they have too many assets, but given the same assets as a teacher, and the same income as a teacher, both earning $10K, yes they would both qualify for food stamps.. But again, poverty isnt just a definition of income.
You think its fair to compare a CEO and a teacher, but not a teacher and a fast food worker?
You just keep saying the same thing over and over like it changes anything. Your points have merit as another subject, I wouldn't argue otherwise, but they don't change the hypocrisy I have been commenting on. I'm commenting on some basic hypocrisy, it's a very simple point. The endless additional arguments over a simple point is ridiculous.
The 250K being near poverty was just about income, not career, it was about the 250K tax cuts. Everyone making 250K was near poverty, not just executives. Their point was clear, bringing the dictionary into this is ridiculous. I could ask for more money if someone next to me made more, but I couldn't complain I was living in poverty, because it would be BS and a lame argument. You don't get paid an amount just because of job title. I've never said different jobs don't call for different incomes, that has nothing to do with this. This is about simple hypocrisy.
I'm not comparing a CEO and a teacher, I'm comparing the salaries in basic monetary terms, it's not that complicated, the job title doesn't matter. I don't care of you switch it to teacher and waitress. If someone says a teacher making 50K is near poverty, but a waitress making 30K is cushy, I'm going to call them on being hypocritical. Everything else is just judgements and excuses for the hypocrisy. No, I'm not saying the waitress should be making 50K like the teacher, that's not the point here. Stop giving me some agenda you made up, Im not arguing for decreases in CEO salary or increases in teacher salary.
I'm not going to waste all night on this, so please keep any replies if you have them succint.
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