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Old 03-10-2011, 06:15 AM
 
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I haven't seen any lesser wages or ill treatment. What are you referring to, exactly?
#12 was a question to #11. #16 was the response/answer
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:17 AM
 
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It sounds like the reason to go to college and a top college at that is simply for connections.

While a class system may exist, is it possible that some corporations know the difference between a person who relies on the right connections and a person who learned for the sake of learning? Both kinds of people can exist in upper classes but have very different attitudes towards learning.
if i were a boss i'd know how to ask the most awesome interview questions. i'd never hire a bad apple. a lot corporate america's problems i feel can be solved if bosses just get better at reading people
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:53 AM
 
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miss littlejohn (woman in the op's article) should heed your words. she thinks her hair could be the problem
I don't know her background. Also, discrimination does exist. One time I was told that I was not like the "others" while at a convention. After a few glasses of wine, the person simply stated that I was not like the "others", when probed a little bit the person stammered and finally said "like the other people like me." Obviously not skinny, short haired, male, average height, but Black. They then continued on when they noticed I held my composure. They said that "technically, I'm only half so I don't really count".

Since it was a potential client I simply excused myself to the restroom and came back to change the subject. This person was with a Fortune 1000 company which we had ties with.

Prejudice exists in corporate America. Thankfully I was seen as not being "like the others".
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Old 03-10-2011, 06:55 AM
 
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It sounds like the reason to go to college and a top college at that is simply for connections.

While a class system may exist, is it possible that some corporations know the difference between a person who relies on the right connections and a person who learned for the sake of learning? Both kinds of people can exist in upper classes but have very different attitudes towards learning.
If you go into marketing or sales, would you hire the person who knows how to use connections or the passionate person who learned for the sake of learning? Most likely the person who knows how to use connections, since that's their job description.

It really depends on the field. I'd rather have a teacher that is passionate, but I would hire a salesman who knows how to use their connections.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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I don't know her background.
well considering the article's headline, take a guess

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If you go into marketing or sales, would you hire the person who knows how to use connections or the passionate person who learned for the sake of learning?
the latter. internal marketing in a large firm does not require connections. it requires the ability to learn different aspects of different departments within your own company and often to serve as a middleman (a person who can clarify matters easily) between departments prone to tension and miscommunication, e.g.: sales and legal counsel. if a traditional marketing role emphasizes lots of connections, then yes, the well-connected candidate has a better shot in most cases, depending on the quality of the connections - the quality in some cases will be an 'unknown' (a gamble) unless sharp interview questions are asked or if the interviewer knows the industry inside and out
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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I don't know her background. Also, discrimination does exist. One time I was told that I was not like the "others" while at a convention. After a few glasses of wine, the person simply stated that I was not like the "others", when probed a little bit the person stammered and finally said "like the other people like me." Obviously not skinny, short haired, male, average height, but Black. They then continued on when they noticed I held my composure. They said that "technically, I'm only half so I don't really count".

Since it was a potential client I simply excused myself to the restroom and came back to change the subject. This person was with a Fortune 1000 company which we had ties with.

Prejudice exists in corporate America. Thankfully I was seen as not being "like the others".
if he said you're not like the "others" in terms of looks, that's just making a distinction. if he said you're not like the "others" in terms of your abilities/potential based on your looks, then more than likely that is discrimination. context is important
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:26 AM
 
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My job requires a Master's degree. I knocked out grad school (while working) right after finishing my undergrad. That was the best decision I ever made education-wise. For me the value of a college degree has paid dividends. But then again, i'm not black, so I suppose the "natural hair" thing is not an issue for me? LOL
But obviously the bigotry thing is.
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:28 AM
 
Location: New York
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College is Overated
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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But obviously the bigotry thing is.
Ooooohhhhh!! Ahhhhhhh! Bigotry! Got any other liberal buzzwords words for me?

I happen to find it hilarious that the individual quoted in the article would actually source "natural hair" as a job finding issue! She said it...not me!

I'm just laughing my butt off at the assertion!

Now, what else can I do for you today?
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Old 03-10-2011, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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I have a difficult time blaming colleges and universities for poor educational choices made by the student or the lack of real-world opportunities. Unlike grade school and high school, colleges and universities are not institutions were students are spoon-fed information. By the time one attends college students are expected to be able to educate themselves. If they graduate with a degree that is worthless in the real-world they have only themselves to blame, not the college or university they attended.

You can say a great deal about colleges and universities, and I have, but they cannot be blamed for poor career choices made by the student.
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