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Old 04-07-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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Don't you love the smell of frightened leftists in the morning?

I agree. It's scary that people would support Trump and even scarier that people would push this issue even though it's been proven time and time again that he was born here.

 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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I agree. It's scary that people would support Trump and even scarier that people would push this issue even though it's been proven time and time again that he was born here.
Obozo hasn't proved anything...other than that he is a scumbag, lying, racist, inexperienced, left-wing radical idiot intent on destroying America.
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:24 PM
 
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Obozo hasn't proved anything...other than that he is a scumbag, lying, racist, inexperienced, left-wing radical idiot intent on destroying America.
Hey Limbaugh how ya doin'?!!
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:27 PM
 
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Obozo hasn't proved anything...
will you hold the same standard for future candidates/presidents?

have you held the same standard for past candidates/presidents?
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I was answering someone's statement that even if he were born overseas, he would still be a U.S. citizen -- I was not making any statement of belief about his place of birth from a personal standpoint (go read the original post).

Anyway, it appears that maternal age DOES matter in conferring citizenship on a child.

The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'"
You realize nothing you quoted says anything about the age of the mother, just the length of residency in the US. What "Washington claim" are you talking about anyway?
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:38 PM
 
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You realize nothing you quoted says anything about the age of the mother, just the length of residency in the US. What "Washington claim" are you talking about anyway?
I am not sure what you are confused about, as this passage does refer to the age of the mother. It's pretty clear that Obama's mother was 18 when he was born, and that one must have resided in the U.S. for at least 5 years past the age of 14 to be able to pass on U.S. citizenship to a foreign born child. At the age of 18, she would not qualify.

The Washington claim is just referring to a court case brought by petitioners in Washington state.
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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I am not sure what you are confused about. It's pretty clear that she was 18 when he was born, and that one must have resided for at least 5 years past the age of 14 to be able to pass on citizenship to a foreign born child. At the age of 18, she would not qualify.
The law means whatever the age of the mother, she must have resided in the US for five years after age 14. So if the mother was 25, 35, 45, etc, she still had to have resided in the US for 5 years after age 14. It doesn't say anything about the age of the mother anywhere. If Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was considered a minor child, then the citizenship of her parents, which was undeniably American, should apply. The senate passed a special resolution making John McCain a "natural born citizen" so he could run for president. If there was any issue with Obama's citizenship, it could have done the same for him. Since they didn't do that, there seems to be no doubt.
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:45 PM
 
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The law means whatever the age of the mother, she must have resided in the US for five years after age 14. So if the mother was 25, 35, 45, etc, she still had to have resided in the US for 5 years after age 14. It doesn't say anything about the age of the mother anywhere. If Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was considered a minor child, then the citizenship of her parents, which was undeniably American, would apply.
Are you an immigration attorney? Why do you assume that the status of her parents would apply to the citizenship status of her child? And yes it is talking about the age of the mother -- 5 years past age 14 equals age 19. She was 18. Simple mathematics. I am still not understanding why you keep saying that nothing is referring to the age of the mother. Obviously it is!
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:47 PM
 
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I smell a rat. Get the people all stirred up, generate controversy, get your name in the headlines and then suddenly claim there's nothing to it. Maybe he's wrangling for some kind of huge payoff. Isn't Trumps show on NBC? There's some kind of mystery about Obama which goes beyond the lack of a birth certificate. He won't release his college records which would either point to his being a very poor student or he's embarrassed about something else thats in it. Maybe he claimed foreign citizenship to get accepted and now regrets it. It would have been enough to derail his first campaign not to mention the primary. People high up must have that information and use it to make him dance to their tune. Hillary practically chose all his staff and now he's bending over backwards to bail out Wall Street and the banks and kissing up to the republicans.
I just don't trust Trump, he's always only out for himself. He's making a good show right now but we've been suckered time and time again in the White House. The last few elections have proven that.
 
Old 04-07-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Are you an immigration attorney? Why do you assume that the status of her parents would apply to the citizenship status of her child? And yes it is talking about the age of the age of the mother -- 5 years past age 14 equals age 19. She was 18. Simple mathematics.
It does not say ONE WORD about the age of the mother. It doesn't say, "the mother must be at least 19 years old". I don't think the writers of that law were thinking about teen moms at the time; they were thinking about parents (it says nothing about which parent in the law) who were living abroad, in some cases for many years before the child was born. And anyway, OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII!
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