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Um, tea partiers are not libertarians, neither lower case or upper case.
Look, let's keep it simple for the sheeple on here and make the word refer to conservative constitutionalism since that's primarily what most current day self-referring "libertarians" like me refer to.
OK I’ll put myself out there. I was a libertarian. And, it seems like the Tea Party is a conservative outcropping of that long established movement. I almost fell into that. But, I wonder? Should there be a liberal outcropping of that movement as well? Because, I fall more to that side. Or should we look into the real libertarian movement with some way of uniting both sides?
There is a huge difference between Libertarians and the Tea Party, particularly around social issues.
For me libertarianism = non aggression principle. It's really easy to see if someone is truly libertarian based on that principle. Opposing private property is really against all that libertarianism stands for... it's closet communism really. For one your own body is your private property. For another there is no question the fruits of your labour are yours to begin with and need to be taken from you by force in order to make them not your private property anymore.
If you are a libertarian you will consistently choose to have freedom over state control. State control is wrong when the state is trying to persecute gays and promote Christianity and it is also wrong when the state is trying to take people's property and redistribute it.
There is no "right libertarian" and "left libertarian".
Unless you see the landscape as being more complex. We're talking about government control and that can exist on social issues which is separate from economic/commerce issues. So, one can be a left (or right) libertarian, if libertarianism indicates free society (social issues) and "left" versus "right" measures degree of government control on economy/commerce. The political compass presents this on two scales, left/right (economy) along x-axis and authoritarian/libertarian (social) along y-axis.
A person (like me) who believe in government regulation on commerce/economy but a freedom from government on social issues would be a left-libertarian. Someone who is into minimum to no government control on the economy/commerce, and minimum to no government control on social issues would be a right libertarian.
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Originally Posted by NHartphotog
To those familiar with the right and left Libertarian terminology, does one stand AGAINST the strong Religious Right influence that generally means social conservativism?
A social conservative can be into minimal to no government regulation on economy (a right authoritarian) versus someone who favors government regulation on economy/commerce (left libertarian).
In other words, left and right are about the extent of supporting government regulating economy/commerce, while authoritarian and libertarian are about social issues.
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Fiscal conservatives and social liberals have no representation at all in America today, and if a party (like the Libertarians) reflected these principals, there would be a huge opportunity for the pent-up demand to explode.
Personally, I prefer the idea of fiscal responsibility over fiscal conservatives, as the latter tells nothing of what it entails. Because, both sides (left or right) can be fiscally responsible while only differing in how they go about achieving the goal.
Now your point about a lack of right libertarian is something I would agree with. Most people seem to fall on left-libertarian or right-authoritarian factions.
What is this relabeling of libertarian day or something else names and so called branches of libertarianism are a joke.
The only one even close to a libertarian and I mean close not full on would be Ron Paul.
Everyone else is for big government programs of right and left ideology and using the name left and right libertarian.
You have neo cons, progressives, socialist, communist and classical liberals on that list but generally are for government intervention on social and economic choices.
If a left libertarian which in so many ways promotes socialism and believes in income redistribution there is nothing libertarian about it and increases and power of the state.
Libertarianism is a political philosophy which upholds individual liberty, especially freedom of expression and action.[1] Libertarianism includes diverse beliefs and organizations; all advocate either the minimization or the elimination of the state, and the goal of maximizing individual liberty and freedom.
A libertarian is simply a person who believe in the individuals rights, choices in economic and social without the intervention of state power and government corrections and adjustments in markets or individuals personal life.
What is this relabeling of libertarian day or something else names and so called branches of libertarianism are a joke.
Relabeling is done because people like to pretend they are pro-liberty while advocating more government control. Libertarianism used to be liberalism, until the socialists ran away with that label.
Would the following historic figures qualify as libertarians today?
1- Thomas Pain
2- Thomas Jefferson
3- George Washington
4- James Madison
5- Alexander Hamilton
6- John Adams
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