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Old 03-28-2011, 11:55 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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The Stolen Valor Act, under which former Three Valleys water board member Xavier Alvarez was convicted, was found Monday to be unconstitutional.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an earlier ruling determining that a law barring people from lying about their military heroics violated free-speech rights.

Stolen Valor Act overturned - DailyBulletin.com
interesting case.

this article hints that it will likely go to the supreme court:
Is lying protected speech? Military-medal case is on track for Supreme Court - The Washington Post
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I've always been troubled about the lying to a federal officer charge. Why are they special? Do people take an oath before speaking to the FBI? Seems like an over reach if you ask me.
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Old 03-28-2011, 02:37 PM
 
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I've always been troubled about the lying to a federal officer charge. Why are they special? Do people take an oath before speaking to the FBI? Seems like an over reach if you ask me.
some lies are considered worse than others?

where the line gets drawn is always going to be a problem i guess.
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Old 03-28-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: NC
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It depends on the situation.
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:07 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Yes, telling a fib is totally protected under the 1st amendment.

Being able to lie is a choice, getting caught in that lie and your piers will correct you.
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:23 PM
 
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Yes, telling a fib is totally protected under the 1st amendment.Being able to lie is a choice, getting caught in that lie and your piers will correct you.
if you are stopped by a cop and give them a fake ID, you will find that's not the case.

is that not a fib?
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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if you are stopped by a cop and give them a fake ID, you will find that's not the case.

is that not a fib?

Wow, forgery is much different than the spoken word.
You can't see the big difference?
Unbelievable!
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:51 PM
 
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Wow, forgery is much different than the spoken word.
You can't see the big difference?
Unbelievable!
No need for Fake ID in some states, just speaking a lie to a Law Enforcement officer is......in some cases a FELONY.
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Lying is only free speech if it doesn't infringe on the life or liberty of another person.

Libel is technically just lying, but it is not protected by freedom of speech. Because it can have a delitarious effect on someone elses life or liberty(it could hurt their business/employment, or might provoke physical harm to them). And this harmful effect of libel can get you sued for any damages, or even imprisoned as a conspirator to a crime.

Libel, slander, defamation are all the same thing, and it is basically lying with the intent of harming someone else.
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Old 03-28-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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if you are stopped by a cop and give them a fake ID, you will find that's not the case.

is that not a fib?

well, a fake ID would be a forgery of official documents. Much like it is illegal to print up a doctors license or dentists license or marriage license, or whatever else. Forgery would not be protected as free speech, even in its most basic form it wouldn't not even be considered speech at all.
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