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Old 04-19-2011, 05:38 AM
 
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Let's say that someone walks into a crowded auditorium armed with Molotov cocktails. How would you defend yourself? I would draw my gun and shoot them myself. Unless of course it was a school auditorium in which case I'd be unarmed.....
I couldn't.

Cars and cocktails can all be used today. The fact is, they are rarely used because guns are easier and much more efficient for the purpose.
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I couldn't.

Cars and cocktails can all be used today. The fact is, they are rarely used because guns are easier and much more efficient for the purpose.

Ok Then. What do you suppose would happen if we had a gun ban like Japan, England, or Brazil (where a school shooting just took place) ?
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:46 AM
 
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In the VA Tech mass shooting IF those students who had a LEGAL permit to carry BUT according to rules at VA Tech were not able to carry on campus had their gun how many of the dead and wounded would not have been? And this scenario can be listed til the cows come home. But I know I'm wasting my time arguing with someone obviously anti-gun and honestly when you consider the conditioning they have put on We the People to fear and hate guns ya really can't help it.
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Old 04-19-2011, 05:54 AM
 
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Ok Then. What do you suppose would happen if we had a gun ban like Japan, England, or Brazil (where a school shooting just took place) ?
I have no clue. The OP asked me to "pretend" people were being killed with everyday implements. I "pretended" that the majority of implements did not do as much damage as a gun. You all don't like that. I stand by it.

I am not asking for a gun ban at all and I don't know who the OP thinks he's "arguing" against or who is "obviously anti-gun."

I just stated my experience living in Japan (extremely nice without guns) but a lot of that COULD conceivably be a culture event vs. that they don't have guns.

I don't know how a gun ban would play out in *this* country and I'm not going to pretend to be able to predict it.

My overall stance is that we need to be way more careful about who gets guns. I do NOT like them in the hands of mentality ill people who have an agenda.

I also do not care for them in the hands of college students who already have enough problems with alcohol/drug abuse and brain immaturity issues.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Ok Then. What do you suppose would happen if we had a gun ban like Japan, England, or Brazil (where a school shooting just took place) ?
Well then, I would simply transition to something that is legal, such as...molotov cocktails.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I have no clue. The OP asked me to "pretend" people were being killed with everyday implements. I "pretended" that the majority of implements did not do as much damage as a gun. You all don't like that. I stand by it.

I am not asking for a gun ban at all and I don't know who the OP thinks he's "arguing" against or who is "obviously anti-gun."

I just stated my experience living in Japan (extremely nice without guns) but a lot of that COULD conceivably be a culture event vs. that they don't have guns.

I don't know how a gun ban would play out in *this* country and I'm not going to pretend to be able to predict it.

My overall stance is that we need to be way more careful about who gets guns. I do NOT like them in the hands of mentality ill people who have an agenda.

I also do not care for them in the hands of college students who already have enough problems with alcohol/drug abuse and brain immaturity issues.


All gun sales through dealers are subject to background checks. If the government can make it convienient and free of charge for me to conduct a background check on a potential buyer for a private sale I may make then I might support it. Other than that not so much.


You say it's extremely nice living with an unarmed citizenry but then you say you don't want to disarm people?
You fealt safer in Japan since only the criminals had guns?

BTW: College students are allowed to posess guns. They just can't have them on campus.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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I just stated my experience living in Japan (extremely nice without guns)
When I was there many moons ago, I particularly enjoyed the racist tone of the folks outside Tokyo.

It may help that everyone looks the same and the culture is extremely xenophobic that contributes to a feeling of safety.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Requiring all guns sales to be registered only build a database of gun owners so the weapons can be confiscated in the future. I would like to tell the apparently naive DC lawmakers that criminals do not buy their guns from registered gun dealers. Because DC has a very wide economic class division into the very rich and very poor the rich folks think their risk of robbery will be decreased if only they had guns.

As was mentioned anyone ever in the armed services has been trained is many ways of killing that do not require a gun. IMHO the tragedy of these multi victim shootings is no one was armed and willing to shoot back. Even the most crazed shooter is stopped by a hit in the chest followed by one in the head. IMHO as soon as anyone starts shooting at me they have lost any and all rights and will be shot like vermin they are.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:34 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Though never reported by our "free" press - guns save lives!

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives - Gun Owners Of America (http://gunowners.org/sk0802.htm - broken link)
Important post, I had to put it up again.
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Old 04-19-2011, 06:40 AM
 
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You say it's extremely nice living with an unarmed citizenry but then you say you don't want to disarm people?
You fealt safer in Japan since only the criminals had guns?

BTW: College students are allowed to posess guns. They just can't have them on campus.
Yes, I said that. I also said that I was not necessarily attributing the peaceful, "safe" atmosphere to the gun ban. I think I stated TWICE that it could be due to the Japanese culture in general. That's why I'm not making a stand on disarming people. Lack of gun violence in Japan does not automatically equate to "a gun ban makes for a safe society" but it WAS one factor there that might contribute. What would happen in this country with a gun ban is an entirely different matter so I would not profess to say that since it seems to work in Japan, we should do it here.

I did feel safer in Japan for many reasons.

Excuse my wording breach--yes college students can own guns, I know that. The AZ shooting pointed that out for sure.
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