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Old 05-16-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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Old 05-17-2011, 06:42 AM
 
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This is an interesting article that is in response to some of the recent press on Ron Paul's alleged racism due to his views on the Civil Rights Act. The writer doesn't exactly seem to be a Ron Paul fan, but seems to understand his view point on what he is saying.

Does Racism Pay? - Megan McArdle - Business - The Atlantic

It is interesting that many would focus so much on Ron Paul disagreeing with the Civil Rights Act whilst conveniently ignoring that he adamantly disagreed with the Jim Crow laws as well.
People focus on it so much because the Civil Rights Act basically outlawed Jim Crow laws so that is very contradictory on Paul's part. He probably just disagrees with certain parts of the Act but some people don't know about the different Title sections.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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People focus on it so much because the Civil Rights Act basically outlawed Jim Crow laws so that is very contradictory on Paul's part. He probably just disagrees with certain parts of the Act but some people don't know about the different Title sections.

It's not contradictory. If it seems contradictory it's due to people's ignorance regarding the various title sections as you suggested.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:28 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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What are his 'views on racism'? (whatever that means)



I would expect that Ron Paul would be in favor of ending all discriminatory hiring practices, alla Affirmative Action.


Look at this woman, the "Unfirable black female public employee" :

Bus driver fired over dragging incident had thick personnel file *| ajc.com

Nonwhites get all kinds of perks and special treatment... so much so that it sometimes takes a near-death in order for one to get fired.
This is a BS post. Whites always get the breaks and special treatment. This is one crazy employee and not proof of your claim. Where does it state that because she is black they couldn't fire her? Get in the real world. You just see what you want to see. Get some reality in your life.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:32 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What was Michelle Obama's college thesis about, again?
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:49 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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It would seem that the main problem some people are having to not understanding how you can NOT like certain aspects of the CRA1964 and still vote for the overturning of the Jim Crow Laws is that even the Supreme Court was unwilling to attack some forms of private discrimination (it had to be State "Sponsored"). They decided that private parties can't violate the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution when they discriminated, because they were not "state actors" covered by that clause. Ron Paul (as is typical of us libertarians) want's individual freedoms. There is good and bad with that - so liberty requires the exercise of responsibility. If there would be those who act irresponsibly, then those who act responsibly will react accordingly. Liberty isn't perfect (it relies on free & flawed people making good choices), but state run decisions also require flawed people making decisions (and they are usually corrupt with money & power).
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Whites always get the breaks and special treatment.
Waaaaah!!! Whitey stole my dreams!!! Waaaah!!!
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:52 AM
 
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I don't think that Ron Paul is a racist. I think that he gets far too carried away with his philosophy at times, which has won him praise amongst like-minded individuals, but has also alienated individuals on both sides of the isle from wanting to associate with him. Because he views life via the libertarian narrative and is unwilling to accept any critique which falls outside of it, he can come across as inconsistent (i.e. mosque at ground zero vs. civil rights fiasco). However, those are his principles and I applaud him for standing up for them even when they may make others feel uncomfortable. What I think of his principles is for a different discussion...
I don't think Ron Paul is racist. I think he is just 100% pro business rights, even to the point of allowing them to be racist. I'm not a racist, but I'll defend the KKK's right to march. Paul will defend a companies right to discriminate.

We don't live in a perfect world and there are circumstances and situations in which two rights are in conflict with one another. We often see this with corporations versus individuals and society at large, you can count on Paul to side with business 100% of the time.
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Old 05-17-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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I don't think Ron Paul is racist. I think he is just 100% pro business rights, even to the point of allowing them to be racist. I'm not a racist, but I'll defend the KKK's right to march. Paul will defend a companies right to discriminate.

We don't live in a perfect world and there are circumstances and situations in which two rights are in conflict with one another. We often see this with corporations versus individuals and society at large, you can count on Paul to side with business 100% of the time.
He doesn't side with business 100% of the time - he will side with the individual rights/liberties 100% of the time. That aspect of liberty carries over into the fact that individuals own businesses.
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Old 05-17-2011, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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It would seem that the main problem some people are having to not understanding how you can NOT like certain aspects of the CRA1964 and still vote for the overturning of the Jim Crow Laws is that even the Supreme Court was unwilling to attack some forms of private discrimination (it had to be State "Sponsored"). They decided that private parties can't violate the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution when they discriminated, because they were not "state actors" covered by that clause. Ron Paul (as is typical of us libertarians) want's individual freedoms. There is good and bad with that - so liberty requires the exercise of responsibility. If there would be those who act irresponsibly, then those who act responsibly will react accordingly. Liberty isn't perfect (it relies on free & flawed people making good choices), but state run decisions also require flawed people making decisions (and they are usually corrupt with money & power).
Are there racist people? Yes. Would there be those who discriminated? Yes. Would it be in overwhelming numbers? No.

The two articles mentioned in the original article are also very interesting concerning whether rampant discrimination would exist in a free market even amongst racists (especially the second link below).

Ron Paul Says He Would Have Voted Against The 1964 Civil Rights Act


Gary Stanley Becker: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty
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