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Oprah got racially profiled. That is sad and pathetic.
No it's not. I've worked in retail, and while it's fine for blacks to complain about feeling watched in stores, it's still blacks that are comprising most of the flash mobs and it's not you who are losing $$ when anyone shoplifts from you. Profiling is just being careful and closing the barn doors before the horses have run out of the barn. Once the item has left the store and been stolen, it's gone, it's history with no way of getting it back. And even the item is just hidden in a handbag or in a stroller under a baby but still within the store's boundaries, it's so much more hassle to confront the customer and get it back from them.
So it's always better to keep an eye on potential thieves and not give them any opportunity at all to steal from you... than it is to not look at them and let them steal from you, then try to get the item back from them. Thieves are the pathetic ones. And most of what they steal isn't even anything that they need to have. It's only blingy things that they think they need in order to make themselves look better to other people.
No it's not. I've worked in retail, and while it's fine for blacks to complain about feeling watched in stores, it's still blacks that are comprising most of the flash mobs and it's not you who are losing $$ when anyone shoplifts from you. Profiling is just being careful and closing the barn doors before the horses have run out of the barn. Once the item has left the store and been stolen, it's gone, it's history with no way of getting it back. And even the item is just hidden in a handbag or in a stroller under a baby but still within the store's boundaries, it's so much more hassle to confront the customer and get it back from them.
So it's always better to keep an eye on potential thieves and not give them any opportunity at all to steal from you... than it is to not look at them and let them steal from you, then try to get the item back from them. Thieves are the pathetic ones. And most of what they steal isn't even anything that they need to have. It's only blingy things that they think they need in order to make themselves look better to other people.
And shops don't owe poor people free merchandise.
You forget that EVERYONE is a potential thief. Behavior is a much better indicator than race. When I worked in retail, our security team caught a shoplifter while we were in a meeting about shrinkage. It was an elderly white man. If they'd been focusing only on the black people who were also in the store, they'd have missed it.
No it's not. I've worked in retail, and while it's fine for blacks to complain about feeling watched in stores, it's still blacks that are comprising most of the flash mobs and it's not you who are losing $$ when anyone shoplifts from you. Profiling is just being careful and closing the barn doors before the horses have run out of the barn. Once the item has left the store and been stolen, it's gone, it's history with no way of getting it back. And even the item is just hidden in a handbag or in a stroller under a baby but still within the store's boundaries, it's so much more hassle to confront the customer and get it back from them.
So it's always better to keep an eye on potential thieves and not give them any opportunity at all to steal from you... than it is to not look at them and let them steal from you, then try to get the item back from them. Thieves are the pathetic ones. And most of what they steal isn't even anything that they need to have. It's only blingy things that they think they need in order to make themselves look better to other people.
And shops don't owe poor people free merchandise.
Lindsay Lohan, Winona Ryder, Britney Spears, Bai Ling......yep, all of these "Black people" should stop it with all of their sticky finger shoplifting!
FYI, not a single one of these folks arrested for shoplifting are "Black". Also, White people who are thieves know that if they are in the store while there is a Black person is in the store that they can steal to their hearts content because security will have their eyes on the Black person which gives them a green light to take whatever they want. Many White people have a sense of entitlement which means that if the opportunity presents itself they will take something.
Lindsay Lohan, Winona Ryder, Britney Spears, Bai Ling......yep, all of these "Black people" should stop it with all of their sticky finger shoplifting!
FYI, not a single one of these folks arrested for shoplifting are "Black". Also, White people who are thieves know that if they are in the store while there is a Black person is in the store that they can steal to their hearts content because security will have their eyes on the Black person which gives them a green light to take whatever they want. Many White people have a sense of entitlement which means that if the opportunity presents itself they will take something.
LOL. Returned to this thread this morning, and wow...so much nonsense posted in the last few pages, I'm giving up on it. As I've stated before, none of the opposing posters will EVER understand what black people endure. And conversely, there might be some things that white people experience that I will never understand. The difference is, I won't speak about those ceritain experiences of white people and try to discredit, disregard or downplay their situations. I am decent enough to understand that I can't control or change their experiences NOR dictate how they should feel about it. That's what is so incredulous.
But I will, however, briefly respond to the post that I quoted.
My exact sentiments. I immediately thought about those celebrities who were caught. I've yet to hear of any black celebrity being caught for shoplifting. There might have been some incidences, but not that I'm aware of.
And to MIU....who said "shops don't owe poor people free merchandise,"
HELLO....
Shops don't owe fortunate celebrities free merchandise, either. You stated thieves are the pathetic ones....oh, poor PATHETIC Winona Ryder and Britney Spears.
For the people who can understand and possibly relate to the OP, I suggest we just ignore the inanely laughable responses from the ones in denial and delusion and converse amongst ourselves.
Of course, there will probably be a barrage of opposing reponses from the delusional. I no longer have the patience to entertain their one track minds who aren't willing to even consider the possibities. They will NEVER understand...unless, of course, they do as John Howard Griffin did and become black like us...
LOL. Returned to this thread this morning, and wow...so much nonsense posted in the last few pages, I'm giving up on it. As I've stated before, none of the opposing posters will EVER understand what black people endure. And conversely, there might be some things that white people experience that I will never understand. The difference is, I won't speak about those ceritain experiences of white people and try to discredit, disregard or downplay their situations. I am decent enough to understand that I can't control or change their experiences NOR dictate how they should feel about it. That's what is so incredulous.
By saying that what you endure is worse than others, you are implicitly saying that you know what everyone else endures. You are saying your experiences regarding shopping are worse than everyone else. Yet you have never walked in the shoes of anyone else. Therefore your entire statement is hypocritical.
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But I will, however, briefly respond to the post that I quoted.
My exact sentiments. I immediately thought about those celebrities who were caught. I've yet to hear of any black celebrity being caught for shoplifting. There might have been some incidences, but not that I'm aware of.
And to MIU....who said "shops don't owe poor people free merchandise,"
HELLO....
Shops don't owe fortunate celebrities free merchandise, either. You stated thieves are the pathetic ones....oh, poor PATHETIC Winona Ryder and Britney Spears.
The statistical likelihoods are not comparable. You bring up a couple washed up celebrities, and you think that makes your case? Hilarious.
The point that the poster was trying to make was that a store owner can and should do whatever they think is the most effective method. If they are incorrect, they will suffer the consequences by increased loss of merchandise. Your feelings are irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by Mrs.JT
For the people who can understand and possibly relate to the OP, I suggest we just ignore the inanely laughable responses from the ones in denial and delusion and converse amongst ourselves.
Of course, there will probably be a barrage of opposing reponses from the delusional. I no longer have the patience to entertain their one track minds who aren't willing to even consider the possibities. They will NEVER understand...unless, of course, they do as John Howard Griffin did and become black like us...
Yeah. Everyone who disagrees with you is just stupid and has no idea what they're talking about. Compelling argument.
You will never understand what it's like to be constantly branded as an ignorant racist. So spare me the self righteous garbage.
By saying that what you endure is worse than others, you are implicitly saying that you know what everyone else endures. You are saying your experiences regarding shopping are worse than everyone else. Yet you have never walked in the shoes of anyone else. Therefore your entire statement is hypocritical.
The statistical likelihoods are not comparable. You bring up a couple washed up celebrities, and you think that makes your case? Hilarious.
The point that the poster was trying to make was that a store owner can and should do whatever they think is the most effective method. If they are incorrect, they will suffer the consequences by increased loss of merchandise. Your feelings are irrelevant.
Yeah. Everyone who disagrees with you is just stupid and has no idea what they're talking about. Compelling argument.
You will never understand what it's like to be constantly branded as an ignorant racist. So spare me the self righteous garbage.
I think you should re-read her post, because you've seriously mischaracterized her position. Also perhaps consider conversing respectfully, rather than contemptuously.
No it's not. I've worked in retail, and while it's fine for blacks to complain about feeling watched in stores, it's still blacks that are comprising most of the flash mobs and it's not you who are losing $$ when anyone shoplifts from you. Profiling is just being careful and closing the barn doors before the horses have run out of the barn. Once the item has left the store and been stolen, it's gone, it's history with no way of getting it back. And even the item is just hidden in a handbag or in a stroller under a baby but still within the store's boundaries, it's so much more hassle to confront the customer and get it back from them.
So it's always better to keep an eye on potential thieves and not give them any opportunity at all to steal from you... than it is to not look at them and let them steal from you, then try to get the item back from them. Thieves are the pathetic ones. And most of what they steal isn't even anything that they need to have. It's only blingy things that they think they need in order to make themselves look better to other people.
And shops don't owe poor people free merchandise.
Cause, as I'm sure, Oprah totally looks like a flash mob.
I've worked in customer service and guess what--more than once my coworker caught a white guy that no one else suspected of stealing. Everyone else was too busy looking at the black people.
Profile fail. Profiling people is fine and a useful skill. Racially profiling people is what's not only inaccurate, but racist.
When I was younger and, I guess, more criminal looking, security would tail me in some stores. I used to make a game out of it and duck in and out of the clothes aisles to see if I could lose him. Sometimes I'd wait around corner and jump out and scare him. That was usually the point when they would kick me out.
Okay, first - she didn't say that what blacks endure is worse than others, she said that white people will not be able to understand it. This is true. I'm white, I've lived with black people, shopped with black people, etc., and I don't claim to understand it in the visceral way that they do. Intellectually, I get it.
She also said that she might not be able to understand some things from the white perspective ... which you misstated as her never walking in anyone else's shoes. The point is, it's difficult to walk in other people's shoes, and the best we can do is try to imagine how we'd feel in that position. She acknowledges that she is not conversant with all of the problems that may come with being white.
The point of celebrities being caught shoplifting is that racial profiling is not a reliable method of catching thieves. Middle and upper class white people steal just as much, but not for "need" - most people who shoplift actually do it for the thrill. How many black celebrities have you heard of being nabbed for shoplifting? I personally cannot think of any.
The point that the other poster was trying to make is that it's A-OK to be a racist jerk if you clothe it in "I'm just trying to protect my STUFF". It's not okay, and it's not even effective. 'Cause you just KNOW those black people all steal.
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Respectfully? What? That whole post was a direct attack on the intelligence of anyone who disagreed. "one track minds" "responses from the delusional"
If you are not willing to consider another person's POV, then you are certainly among those "one track minds who refuse to consider the possibilities". Read the whole paragraph she wrote, and then think about whether you are one of the people she was talking about. Are you a knee-jerk defender of racists, or are black people frequently targeted in retail establishments because they are black? I'm white, and I can see it happening around me. Living in Tucson, I also see it with Hispanics.
I say respectfully because, though you may disagree with her statements, and that is perfectly fine, you expressed yourself with contempt toward her, and that is not okay. There are a lot of posters who use contempt to demean other posters without actually violating the letter of the TOS. That doesn't make it right.
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