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Old 05-30-2011, 12:47 AM
 
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I noticed you made no attempt to challenge this person's logic before calling him or her a bigot. How is it you are not agreeing by default?
The fact that the OP opens with the statement "liberal garbage" and does not provide any logical basis for their assertions (slavery and homosexuality comparison) shows that the OP is bigoted and set in his/her way.

Many have challenged the logic only to be met with arguments that you have made in the past that were laughable then as they are now.

 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:49 AM
 
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Homo sex is wrong, like adultrey, killing, stealing,porn. But if one cannot or will not live a perfect life then what's talking about it going to do.
How is porn wrong? How is homosexuality wrong?

Look, first off morality is not clear cut...secondly, sexual orientation is as wrong or right as being blonde or brunette (there is morality or immorality about orientation).
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:50 AM
 
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Actually, if you've been paying attention, I have kept an open mind throughout this discussion. Yes, I've had a little fun with some of the liberal loony tunes who provided emotional responses instead of logical responses. Can you find an example in this thread where I've been intolerant of any ideas other than my own, regarding religion, politics, or race? Or was that just an unfounded claim that you cannot back up with evidence.

Back to the original topic. I'm going to simplify things a little bit. A man is born with a reproductive organ. That reproductive organ is called a penis. A woman is born with a reproductive organ as well. That reproductive organ is called a vagina. When a penis is inserted into a vagina (I'll spare the details), conception takes place and if all goes well, nine months later a baby is born. The main purpose (but not only) for both the penis and the vagina is to reproduce. A man cannot reproduce with a man. A woman cannot reproduce with a woman. In order for the human species to survive, men must get together with women and "make babies". A homosexual can most certainly reproduce, although it is inimical in regards to their sexuality. A species full of homosexuals cannot ensure the survival of our species, unless they go against their nature. This is why I feel that homosexuality is counter to human nature and maladaptive. A man sticking his penis into a vagina is natural (and normal). A man sticking a penis into an anus (man or woman) is unnatural (and abnormal). This is reality, not bigotry.

as other posters pointed out in your OP you used words that expressed your mind was made up. the first several posts you made replying to others showed you were not truly interested in an open mind for discussion. for the second time I never said you were intolerant of race or religion only that the stuff you spew about homosexuals is the same type of stuff spewed by people who have a problem with people who are of a different race or religion other than they are.

your opinions are not fact. as to your reasoning that male fits into female and a child can be made doesn't take into account that people, lots and lots of them have sex purely for FUN. anal sex is human sexuality which is natural and not abnormal. millions of people engage in this way. who are you to tell them it's abnormal or wrong?
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:51 AM
 
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Are you saying that if someone disagrees with homosexuality that they are vitriolic and irrational?

If so, I think you need to be more respectful of opposing viewpoints. If not, I apologize for chastising you.
Yes.

No I don't have to be respectful towards willfully ignorant bigots.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:51 AM
 
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Doesn't matter to me if you think it's maladaptive or abnormal. Experts on human behavior have long passed the idea that homosexuality should be corrected or classified as a medical problem. If you don't like homosexuality, fine, but really, why should we care?
Did I state that homosexuality is a medical problem? I actually do not hold that belief.

Did I state that I don't like homosexuality? I actually could care less what an individual's sexual orientation is.

Sorry if I'm not PC enough for you bro!
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:52 AM
 
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People will get offended to the opposition since it really is vitriolic and irrational in nature.

No not everyone in the world is going to like you, but to hate a person on such a conditions (like race and sexuality) should be condemned. They shouldn't get a free pass. Period.
Of course this sounds bad but...

Civilizations, in the past, shed away from lepers, the obese, the frail, the sickly.. etc.

They didn't do it because they hated those people, although it may look like hate.

It has more to do with threatening the existence of the species, rational or not.

They aren't the ideal mate.

Destroy the rest of the population and that's all that's left, they be humping open sores like rabbits trying to reproduce.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:53 AM
 
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Did I state that homosexuality is a medical problem? I actually do not hold that belief.

Did I state that I don't like homosexuality? I actually could care less what an individual's sexual orientation is.

Sorry if I'm not PC enough for you bro!
Then what's your point? Is it simply that you think it's "maladaptive and abnormal"? Thanks, but I'll put my faith in actual science and research ahead of someone who's just spouting off nonsense on an anonymous message board.

And I'm not PC - believe me. But I do have respect for research and science.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:54 AM
 
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Did I state that homosexuality is a medical problem? I actually do not hold that belief.

Did I state that I don't like homosexuality? I actually could care less what an individual's sexual orientation is.

Sorry if I'm not PC enough for you bro!
It seems to most that you do care. Otherwise why post?

Maladaptive in an evolutionary sense typically means a medical problem (which you implied maladaptive in an evolutionary sense).

Being PC is one thing.

If you hold your beliefs about gays in, and let people live their own lives...that's one thing...going out and trying to state that you have infallible logic on why gays are bad, that's entirely another thing.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:54 AM
 
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Of course this sounds bad but...

Civilizations, in the past, shed away from lepers, the obese, the frail, the sickly.. etc.

They didn't do it because they hated those people, although it may look like hate.

It has more to do with threatening the existence of the species, rational or not.

They aren't the ideal mate.

Destroy the rest of the population and that's all that's left, they be humping open sores like rabbits trying to reproduce.
we know better in this day and age
 
Old 05-30-2011, 12:56 AM
 
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I had an argument with a family member about homosexuality and she tried telling me that homosexuality is normal. She took a class on Cultural Anthropology, so she had plenty of liberal garbage to spew. Having taken anthropology as well, I had plenty of ammunition to disprove her arguments.

My argument consisted of two statements: homosexuality is maladaptive to a species (homo sapiens sapiens specifically) and it is abnormal (in that a small percentage of the population is homosexual).

She mentioned the fact that ancient Greeks had homosexual relations for "fun" and also mentioned that homosexuality has been observed in almost every species of life. Her argument is fallacious in both arguments. That's like me saying that since there is slavery going on in the Sudan (and a number of African countries), that therefore, slavery is normal.

I would like someone to refute my statement so I can gain some insight into this issue, because I believe my statement is irrefutable. I am open-minded, so if someone can give me a sincere, logical argument, maybe you can make me a believer.
You are not very open-minded as you like to think if you think you are right in your thinking.

My brother is gay and tells me that he felt he was different and was attracted to boys as a young boy. I've also heard from other gays that they knew at a young age that they were gay.

God doesn't make junk or abnormality. Everyone has a reason to be here on this Earth. And I, for one, will not judge what is right or wrong.
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