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IMHO - a moral society makes certain that everyone, particularly the disabled, is housed, fed and medically supported before ANYONE becomes wealthy. There are very few societies that actually reach this standard. The United States is not one of them.
To blame our troubles on the halt (speechless), lame (physically crippled) and insane is deceptive, cruel and shameful. To turn a frail elderly person out into the cold because they have no money is just plain heartless. It is also disgusting.
We need to take care of our own before protecting some billionaire’s access to oil halfway around the world. We need to protect the Pine Street Shelters before Wall Street tax shelters. We need to change our ways but we never will because we are not a important as THEM.
The GOP Pathway to Poverty will get Granny off Medicaid and collapse the Nursing Home Industry in her wake. I'm sure there will be no problem finding a family member to take her, otherwise it's the Knacker.
If you disabled due to conditions beyond your control like a work accident or birth defect then I think you should get some help.
If you are poor because you are a drug user or alcoholic or you were lazy your entire life, then you get nothing. You live under the bridge provided by others.
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When you are a ward of the state you don't get to have a private room.
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LOL Axis III, huh? And to boot, hypomania? Hypomania does not keep people from working, it actually usually *helps* them work better in most cases. A manic state is different, but also transient, with depression being the hallmark of all bipolar types.
Anyway, I can speak from MY personal experiences dealing with family on SSDI and say that for those who want to scam, it can be done. It seems the people who truly deserve it are the ones jumping through hoops. The whole system is just totally flawed, IMO.
Thus, my answer to the OP is that we should allow the low income elderly and people who are really disabled on a permanent basis to have some kind of housing. Anybody else needs to prove they are poor and it needs to be limited to six months, just like any other welfare program should be. All of these programs need overhauled as well.
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Thank you , I read it all
"""The proposed funding cuts will do almost nothing toward balancing the budget. However, the cost in human suffering will be vast. """"
This , however, is exactly what Republicans want.
They are very clever in demonizing the poor, elderly and the helpless....it's a magician's trick....focus on those who need the most help as greedy and evil ...and it takes stupid people's eyes off all the aid Republicans fork over to the wealthy...
""..... focus on those who need the most help as greedy and evil ...and it takes stupid people's eyes off all the aid Republicans fork over to the wealthy"""
See what I mean?
Picky picky picky on those who some think they can look downn on while studiously avoiding looking UP to those who are REALLY raping and pillaging this country....
The problem with the "diabled" getting a free ride is that too many people who aren't disabled are classified as that. It's one thing for someone who is a quadriplegic to receive aid but we all know that drug addicts and alcoholics are categorized as disabled so they can lay around and never work. And someone can just claim some mental disability like depression and never have to get out of bed and do anything for themselves.
Far too many people are living off government programs and the government is in serious debt. It's time to cut back - and if the liberals want the able-bodied to continue receiving handouts because they are too lazy to work, then the cuts have to be made on the disabled and elderly. The real abuse is paying perfectly healthy women to lay around and breed. Many welfare recipients can be cut off and are perfectly capable of getting off their rear ends and working for a living.
Most of the Low Income Senior housing is not HUD or Section 8. Most of them are Tax Credit units. The government gives private firms a tax credit to rent to seniors with low incomes. As far as government programs go it is one of the best.
Independent living isn't an inalienable right. I think there should be high quality, humane care provided for people who can't support themselves. It is much cheaper and more efficient to take care of a lot of people in one location than to have everyone living independently and separately. Those who are disabled and can do some work can even contribute to the well-being of other disabled people. Giving people money so they can subsist on their own in section 8 housing doesn't add much to their quality of life in my opinion.
You do know that was tried once? Ever recall hearing the term "Poor House"? It was real and it was relatively recent and it was barbaric. Poorhouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The problem with the "diabled" getting a free ride is that too many people who aren't disabled are classified as that. It's one thing for someone who is a quadriplegic to receive aid but we all know that drug addicts and alcoholics are categorized as disabled so they can lay around and never work. And someone can just claim some mental disability like depression and never have to get out of bed and do anything for themselves.
Far too many people are living off government programs and the government is in serious debt. It's time to cut back - and if the liberals want the able-bodied to continue receiving handouts because they are too lazy to work, then the cuts have to be made on the disabled and elderly. The real abuse is paying perfectly healthy women to lay around and breed. Many welfare recipients can be cut off and are perfectly capable of getting off their rear ends and working for a living.
I agreed with you until you stated: "then the cuts have to be made on the disabled and elderly". Would this be the road the republican party would take? If true, they will never get my vote ever again.
You do know that was tried once? Ever recall hearing the term "Poor House"? It was real and it was relatively recent and it was barbaric. Poorhouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
My grandmother ran away from the poor house when she was 14. Apparently these are part of the GOP Pathway to Poverty. I will never again vote for any republican at any level
We give so much away in this country that we have no one at poverty level unless they are non-dependent types.
I'm assuming you imply that as a good thing? Having said that, nearly a quarter of America's elderly (25%) were living below the poverty line in 1970. That number was down to about 8% in four decades later. I would say, "the giving away" to that effect did help their cause.
Currently, low income seniors and low income disabled - those at or below the poverty level - can get housing assistance either through a housing voucher (section 8) or by qualifying for a small apartment in seniors/disabled only apartments administered by HUD.
With the Federal deficit what it is and in the current political climate, many in Congress want to eliminate these programs. This will make many older and/or disabled Americans homeless, and will actually make almost no difference in the amount of National debt.
Do you support these proposed cuts?
What other choice do we have over some of these cuts?
Both liberals and conservatives believe we need to take care of the most vulnerable among us, and that includes the poor, elderly and the disabled.
Our social welfare net has been abused and used by greedy politicians in our federal government, who used our concern for the poor and elderly in order form them to get elected.
The problem is that politician after politician, have come into public office and created some new social welfare program, or expanded an existing one, in order to get elected. They pull at our heart strings over and over again, claiming, "How can you be against program X, do you hate the poor or wish to see suffering for the most vulnerable among us?"
Most all of us are able to fend for ourselves, we may hit a few rocks in the road and suffer some short term setbacks, but we can bounce back. Even those who are poor or in dire need, will most likely only need temporary welfare assistance.
We went over the deep end when we started to see government social welfare programs handing out free money to people in the upper middle class and even millionaires. In some states, people making over $70,000 a year were eligible to receive free government health care, cash for clunkers and $7,500 tax rebate for a new electric car, and millionaires could buy a thousand acre estate, and buy a horse or a few llamas, and receive tens of thousands in tax subsides.
So here we sit today, almost $15 trillion in debt, and trillions more to come, and politicians are still pulling at our heart strings, and demonizing their opponents for wanting to "kill women" or letting the elderly and children with downs syndrome "fend for themselves," just so they can stay in public office.
Because of all these greedy, power hungry politicians, who are behaving like snake oil salesman, we are in debt over our heads, and we no longer have enough money to do that which we all agree we should do. So we will have to end, or diminish some of the programs for many people, while we try to maintain the bare minimum for those who most need our assistance.
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