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Old 07-12-2011, 06:23 AM
 
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I base my opinion on the fact that juries can acquit people for whatever they want. If you don't believe me just google 'jury nullification'. Now that is not likely what happened in this case, but the jury has no duty to ask to review testimony or ask questions of the judge after the conclusion of the trial phase, all they really have to do is reach a verdict which they did.
We all know a jury can acquit for whatever reason they want.

In this case, juror 3 wanted to know Exactly when and where the chloroform and duct tape were used: was it in the back seat of the car, the trunk, a public place. Ridiculous.

She couldn't exclude the "possibility" that it was an accident. Does the state now have to exclude the 'possibility' of an alternative for which there is absolutely No Evidence ?

She said if they charged Casey with other other than 1st degree murder they "probably could have gotten a guilty verdict, absolutely." What !?!?!? Did she already forget the many other charges ?

She wanted the state to 'connect the dots.' She has every right to feel that way; I believe a juror's role is to connect the dots.

Your sole points seem to be that juries can do whatever they want and the public should shut up. What, if anything, am I missing ?
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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We all know a jury can acquit for whatever reason they want.

In this case, juror 3 wanted to know Exactly when and where the chloroform and duct tape were used: was it in the back seat of the car, the trunk, a public place. Ridiculous.

She couldn't exclude the "possibility" that it was an accident. Does the state now have to exclude the 'possibility' of an alternative for which there is absolutely No Evidence ?

She said if they charged Casey with other other than 1st degree murder they "probably could have gotten a guilty verdict, absolutely." What !?!?!? Did she already forget the many other charges ?

She wanted the state to 'connect the dots.' She has every right to feel that way; I believe a juror's role is to connect the dots.

Your sole points seem to be that juries can do whatever they want and the public should shut up. What, if anything, am I missing ?
You nailed it! The role of the prosecutor's is to present know facts of the case. The role of the jury is to "connect the dots" of those facts. If a jury expects that to be totally done for them, not only are they lazy but the would not be necessary in the first place.
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:00 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Opening statements are not evidence. Baez threw a bunch of oddities out to the jury trying to save his client's life.
It was "an admission" by the defendant made via her attorney with her consent in a court of law. What more do you need!
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Old 07-12-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Does the state now have to exclude the 'possibility' of an alternative for which there is absolutely No Evidence ?
Yes.

It's completely up to the state to prove their case.

The defense doesn't have to prove anything.


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She wanted the state to 'connect the dots.' She has every right to feel that way; I believe a juror's role is to connect the dots.
WHat you 'feel' is in direct contradiction to how it actually works, though.
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Yes.

It's completely up to the state to prove their case.

The defense doesn't have to prove anything.




WHat you 'feel' is in direct contradiction to how it actually works, though.
It should be clear to anyone with an ounce of common sense that Casey Anthony was directly responsible, fully involved and absolutely knowledgable about the death and disposal of her baby daughter...

The verdict should have been: Guilty Murder One - Life In Prison Without Parole
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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Yes.

It's completely up to the state to prove their case.

The defense doesn't have to prove anything.




WHat you 'feel' is in direct contradiction to how it actually works, though.
I know the defense doesn't have to prove anything. Since when does the state have to exclude every 'possible' alternative. That's not how it's supposed to work.

I suppose Baez could have said Caylee drowned in the bathtub, the swamp, or played with a plastic bag and suffocated, or simply wandered away, and you'd want the state to disprove those 'possibilities.'

A reasonable doubt is not a mere possible doubt, a speculative, imaginary or forced doubt. To return a not guilty verdict because an alternative is 'possible' or 'speculative' turns the system upside down.
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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I know the defense doesn't have to prove anything. Since when does the state have to exclude every 'possible' alternative. That's not how it's supposed to work.
It does when that's the alternative that the defense is pretty much hanging on.

Judging by the fact that there could be no discernible cause of death, it's a very real possiblility.

The bottom line is, the prosecution HAS to prove their case, or they don't win.

Which is exactly what happened here.
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:34 PM
 
Location: MI
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It was "an admission" by the defendant made via her attorney with her consent in a court of law. What more do you need!
I need nothing as I have stated "Opening Statements" are not evidence. Now do you get that. Baez could have dreamed that mess up.

The jury has spoken end of discussion!
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Old 07-12-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Just heard today, one woman on the jury had to quit her job, b/c she had her life threatened....
Now, I agree, the jury was definately wrong, they're all looking for a evidence that is cut and dry dead on...however, to threaten them, is wrong...wrong, wrong..
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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Exclamation Breaking news!

Casey Anthony's Mother PERJURED herself!

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A sheriff in Florida says Casey Anthony's mother could face perjury charges for her testimony during her daughter's murder trial.

Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said Tuesday there have been discussions with prosecutors about filing perjury charges against Cindy Anthony and a decision could come soon.
Casey Anthony's mother could face perjury charges - KRLA 870
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