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Old 07-11-2011, 11:11 AM
 
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Actually tolerance isn't about agreement or disagreement. It is about... okay, so what? I see no reason why people get their panties twisted in a nod over homosexuality. So, I have no reason to have an issue with gays and lesbians. They are humans, like me, and have the right to be who they are.
You're right...they are humans like me. They have a right to be who they are. Live and let live is fine with me.
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Agreement/disagreement only creeps in when you deal with folks who maintain oppressive ideas and go out to enforce them. Calling them homophobes is NOT being intolerant.
We're not the ones doing that.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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We're not the ones doing that.
Any opposition that allows them to be themselves is doing that. Whether you fit the bill or not, well, only you can let us know.
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:24 AM
 
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Any opposition that allows them to be themselves is doing that. Whether you fit the bill or not, well, only you can let us know.
I don't know of anyone that does oppose them "being themselves". But that's the thing....we can believe in a live and let live attitude, but unless we believe the way you do regarding legislation and politics....we're homophobes?
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Old 07-11-2011, 11:48 AM
 
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I don't know of anyone that does oppose them "being themselves". But that's the thing....we can believe in a live and let live attitude, but unless we believe the way you do regarding legislation and politics....we're homophobes?
But you don't believe in a live and let live attitude. You fear homosexuals so much that you write (or support) laws that suppress us. You write laws making sex between homosexuals illegal (basically outlawing being gay). You write laws making it illegal for gays to be school teachers. You write laws making it illegal for gays to serve in the military. You write laws making it illegal for gays to adopt children. You write laws taking away our civil rights by banning us from contracting civil marriages.

Support of such things, such laws, is a clear indication of a homophobe. Those are all actions of a fearful person - a person who does not have a "live and let live" attitude, but instead fears others with different values so much he chooses to repress them using the force of law.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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The title of this thread and those who think it all have mental disorders or are just stupid. I have no problem with those who practice it, but just because others disagree with it doesn't make it a phobia nor a disorder. Get real.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't know of anyone that does oppose them "being themselves". But that's the thing....we can believe in a live and let live attitude, but unless we believe the way you do regarding legislation and politics....we're homophobes?
Yes, because you're trying to impose your will into others' lives for the reason that makes up homophobia. If you stuck with live and let live, you would be tolerant.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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Yes, because you're trying to impose your will into others' lives for the reason that makes up homophobia. If you stuck with live and let live, you would be tolerant.
If we stuck with "live and let live", no one would be arguing for a redefining of marriage law.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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But you don't believe in a live and let live attitude. You fear homosexuals so much that you write (or support) laws that suppress us. You write laws making sex between homosexuals illegal (basically outlawing being gay). You write laws making it illegal for gays to be school teachers. You write laws making it illegal for gays to serve in the military. You write laws making it illegal for gays to adopt children. You write laws taking away our civil rights by banning us from contracting civil marriages.

Support of such things, such laws, is a clear indication of a homophobe. Those are all actions of a fearful person - a person who does not have a "live and let live" attitude, but instead fears others with different values so much he chooses to repress them using the force of law.
Oh just get over yourself. Your silly bigoted arguments are getting old. Leave us alone and stop trying to make us conform to your ways.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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If we stuck with "live and let live", no one would be arguing for a redefining of marriage law.
Your argument doesn't make sense. The marriage law you speak of, doesn't represent live and let live in its current form.
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Old 07-11-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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Oh just get over yourself. Your silly bigoted arguments are getting old. Leave us alone and stop trying to make us conform to your ways.
Care to address the actual content of my argument rather than just hurl personal attacks?
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