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Glich you are embarrassing yourself because you are totally ignorant of even the most basic facts.
In December of 1992 George H.W. Bush ordered 25,000 U.S. troops to Somalia. The first units of the 13th Marine Expeditionary forces landed in country on December 9, 1992. If you think for one second that 25,000 soldiers and Marines landed and disembarked from Somalia between Dec, 9 and Clinton's inauguration you are... well embarrassing yourself. It would not be until May 4, 1993 that troops in Somalia would be reduced to 1,200 combat and 3,000 supporting troops.
The 13th MEU (SOC) was pulled out of Somalia in December 1992 and did not return to Somalia until October 1993. After Clinton tried to intentional kill as many US Army troops as possible.
The Marines were involved in "Operation Restore Hope," the US Army was not. The US Army was not deployed to Somalia until March 1993 under a completely different operation.
The point being, Democrat Presidents truly enjoy getting as many Americans killed as possible. Obama, Clinton, and LBJ are proof of that.
so are you saying that Obama caused the increase in the war death-rate? If so, how?
Peace,
brian
Absolutely. Obama changed the rules of engagement and thus turned our soldiers into sitting ducks. He is the Commander-in-Chief and the losses of lives of our troop members since the day he took office are ultimatelyly on his hands.
The 13th MEU (SOC) was pulled out of Somalia in December 1992 and did not return to Somalia until October 1993. After Clinton tried to intentional kill as many US Army troops as possible.
No where in all of the links below is there the slightest hint that United Nations Operation In Somalia (UNOSOM) was ended by the end of the Bush administration. There isn't a single citation demonstrating any reduction of forces from Dec 9, 1992, to Jan. 20 1993. Of course one would be right to question my sanity for exerting this much effort on an insane premiss to begin with but...
The operation, code-named RESTORE HOPE, began on 8 December 1992 under the direction of a Unified Task Force, or UNITAF. The I Marine Expeditionary Force from Camp Pendleton, California, formed the bulk of the headquarters, with augmentation from all the services...
...Marine Corps and Navy special operations elements moved into Somalia in the early morning hours of 9 December, with the first 1,300 marines coming in by helicopter directly to Mogadishu airport. Emerging from the ocean surf in the predawn hours, the Navy Seals were immediately hit with the blazing lights of forewarned media crews.
...The U.S. Army component of UNITAF was Task Force Mountain, initially commanded by Brig. Gen. Lawson William Magruder III, the Assistant Division Commander, Maneuver, of the 10th Mountain Division, based at Fort Drum, New York. He remained in command until 22 December when the division commander, Maj. Gen. Steven L. Arnold, replaced him. TF Mountain was built around the 2d Brigade, 10th Mountain Division, and at its peak consisted of approximately 10,000 soldiers including two infantry battalions, an aviation brigade, and division artillery and support assets. It was a sizable and effective military force that overawed the poorly armed Somali militia.
...Despite some setbacks and incidents, Operation RESTORE HOPE succeeded in its goal of bringing an end to mass starvation. The heavily armed UNITAF units quickly established security in their sectors, and an uneasy truce kept the peace between the factions. There were some warning signs on the horizon, however, as UN diplomats began to press for a more active role of the military in confiscating weapons and in forcing some kind of political settlement. "Mission creep" began to enter the vocabulary of those serving in Somalia, and soon after the United States turned over the mission completely to the United Nations in May[1993], the situation began to unravel.
"During its existence from 9 December 1992 through 4 May 1993, UNITAF ultimately involved more than 38,000 troops from 21 coalition nations, including 28,000 Americans. It clearly succeeded in its missions of stabilizing the security situation— especially by confiscating "technicals," the crew-served weapons mounted on trucks and other wheeled vehicles. With better security, more relief supplies were distributed throughout the country, staving off the immediate threat of starvation in many areas. However, plans for the termination of UNITAF and an orderly handoff of its functions to the permanent peacekeeping force, christened UNOSOM II, were repeatedly put off. U.N. Secretary-General Boutros-Ghali urged delay until U.S. forces could effectively disarm the bandits and rival clan factions that continued to operate throughout Somalia. In addition, he proposed to rebuild the country's fragmented institutions "from the top down"—an exercise akin to nation- building."
Dec. 8-9: Led by 1300 Marines, 25,000 U.S. troops land in Somalia as U.S. “Operation Restore Hope.” They are joined by 7000 troops from other states to compose the UNITAF. The Task Force begins to provide security for large scale feeding of starving population by private voluntary organizations (PVOs) and other non-governmental organizations (NGOs). Poll: 81% of U.S. public back project. U.N. personnel in Somalia, and U.N. Secretary General Boutros Boutros-Ghali immediately urge U.S. to widen the functions pursued by the Task Force, arguing that it should seek full disarmament of militias.
Starvation is stemmed; fighting does not end, but heavy weapons of militias are pulled back. UNITAF is more successful in Mogadishu and southern areas than elsewhere.
US confiscates 636 heavy weapons, and more than 2000 small arms.
Dec. 17: U.S. Department of Defense official Woods testifies to Congress that Somalia operation will last 2 or 3 months, only. But anthropologists and others well informed about differences in clan identities in Somalia suggest the project is much greater than advertised.
In 1992, clan-based civil-war fighting and one of the worst African droughts of the century created famine conditions that threatened one-fourth of Somalia's population with starvation. In August 1992, the United Nations began a peacekeeping mission to the country to ensure the distribution of food and medical aid, but it was largely unsuccessful. With U.N. troops unable to control Somalia's warring factions, security deteriorating, and thousands of tons of food stranded in portside warehouses, President Bush ordered a large U.S. military force to the area on December 4, 1992. Five days later, the first U.S. Marines landed in the first phase of "Operation Restore Hope."
With the aid of U.S. military troops and forces from other nations, the U.N. succeeded in distributing desperately needed food to many starving Somalis. However, with factional fighting continuing unabated, and the U.N. without an effective agenda to resolve the political strife, there seemed no clear end in sight to Operation Restore Hope when President Bill Clinton took office in January 1993.
Obviously U.S. forces hadn't gone anywhere prior to Clinton's inauguration:
As always, Jeremiah provided an informal and to-the-point briefing, and Governor Clinton and the others obviously appreciated it. I was relieved to have it occur, because a certain amount of frustration was building among the Clinton staff, who sensibly wanted to know what Somalia operation they would inherit. Gallucci from State clarified issues related to the policy side of the US involvement. Knowing he would assume responsibility for an ongoing project, Governor Clinton asked about the expected duration of the operation, the conditions under which US forces would be withdrawn, and where things stood regarding the formation of a UN-controlled follow-on force that would relieve the US units. Governor Clinton's own predictions about how long US forces would be required to stay in Somalia ultimately proved to be right on the mark.
President Clinton Thursday ordered 5,300 new combat troops and an aircraft carrier to Somalia "to protect our troops and to complete our mission," and at the same time he announced that he would bring all American combat forces home by March 31.
The deployment of 28,000 US troops was said to be the result of the "CNN-ization" of humanitarian intervention, and led to comedic scenes of peaceful beaches being stormed by fully armored soldiers, filmed by international TV news crews awaiting their arrival. Less than a year later (the troops were not, of course, sent home before the new president took office), the situation is anything but funny, and after the "Blackhawk Down" episode, President Clinton starts the draw down of American troops.
Absolutely. Obama changed the rules of engagement and thus turned our soldiers into sitting ducks. He is the Commander-in-Chief and the losses of lives of our troop members since the day he took office are ultimatelyly on his hands.
There has been a total of 1,658 US casualties in Afghanistan from 2001 to present day. From 2001 through 2008 President Bush was responsible for 630 of those casualties. From 2009 to the present day President Obama has been responsible for 1,028 casualties.
To put it into perspective, there was one US casualty in Afghanistan for every four days Bush was in office. Whereas, there is at least one US casualty in Afghanistan every day Obama has been in office.
There is no escaping the fact that President Obama, and Democrat Presidents in general, are far more deadly to US troops than any Republican President.
More deadlier? I guess the 4000+ who died under the Bush administration in Iraq is nothing to you then.
More deadlier? I guess the 4000+ who died under the Bush administration in Iraq is nothing to you then.
We did much better under President Bush in Iraq than anyone was predicting at the time. In March 2003 the talking heads were estimating 10,000+ US losses, and that was just the initial invasion. Iraq had the fifth largest military on the planet at the time. And no, I am not giving Bush credit for saving 6,000 US lives. The dispersion of Iraqi forces, and the fact that the were not as strong as we originally believed is what kept those numbers down. More so than anything President Bush did or did not do.
Never fear, this is the "good war." The very platform that Obama campaigned on, and now is responsible for.
Would you rather that Obama "dithers?"
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