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What I am saying is that if this mosque happens to teach a brand of Islam that is completely incompatible with Western values and is explicitly hostile towards the people that hold them, then maybe it might be a good idea to keep tabs on what these people are doing and if they are a threat to the country, kick them out.
'And let's not let Catholics vote until they swear a loyalty oath to our government and not the pope.' 150 years ago Catholics were considered 'incompatible', too.
You are prescribing a program of gross violation of religious freedom.
So he hates Mohammed Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabar? Oh and Malcolm X and Cat Stevens? Rightttt.
Idiot.
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Originally Posted by Savoir Faire
"Asked what he thought of plans to build an Islamic mosque here, Cain said: "I think it is an infringement and abuse of our freedom of religion"
” He went on to say that he believes the building of the mosque is “another way to gradually sneak Sharia law into our laws, and I absolutely object to that.”
So allowing a group, such as Muslims to practice their religion is a violation of religious freedom??
Herman may have said it badly but, observing enclaves of mosque build's in other countries reveals their attendees practice Sharia law amongst themselves, regardless of whether your states legislature's approve or not.
You have only to look at other countries for the harbinger of what's to come with your 'live and let live' attitudes. Wrapping yourself in your "freedom of religion" documents is fine and dandy as long as every religion is a peace and love religion.
You've never had to deal with anything like this movement run amock with rabid Mullah's twisting and perverting the origional teachings to foment hatred or even just to perpetuate the subjugation of women.
Herman's no dummy and unlike the major portion of you, he has actually studied this religion and observed it up close and personal as an integral part of his military duties. Don't be too quick to write his assessment off just because the particular words he used don't jibe with your ill-informed sense of outrage.
No other ideology (religion) is it's own government unto itself. Muslims do not tolerate non-believers, are not to befriend them, and Allah is the supreme ruler. They are supremecists in every sense of the word. If you would object to white supremecists, I don't know why you think these supremecists are benign. Their plan is exactly as stated above, to grow in numbers and influence, then take over. You are either with them, or against them. If you are not with them, they subjugate, enslave, convert or kill you. Those are the choices. This is not fear-mongering, these are the facts. Cain knows what he is talking about.
'And let's not let Catholics vote until they swear a loyalty oath to our government and not the pope.' 150 years ago Catholics were considered 'incompatible', too.
You are prescribing a program of gross violation of religious freedom.
Not the same thing.
Okay. Let's use the Catholic example and I'll put it in different terms by using fictional example of what is going on now:
Italy is run by extremist fundamentalist Catholics who feel that since they are the guardians of the Vatican, that it is their duty to guide world Catholicism. So they use state funds to build and run cathedrals and Catholic schools all over the world. In these Catholic schools they are taught Medieval style Christianity. Jews use the blood of Christian babies in their religious rituals, it is your Christian duty to wage a Holy Crusade to secure the Holy Land, all non-Catholics will burn in Hell, Protestants are blasphemous and deserve to die, the word of dishonest Catholic is worth more than an honest non-Catholic, heretics must be burned, the earth is flat, and so on.
The Italian government spends literally billions of dollars every year funding these institutions. They even offer more traditional Catholic institutions money if they support their interpretation of Catholicism. They actively try to drown out any forms of moderate Christianity with money and threats of violence. They purposely find countries with small Christian populations and fund the cathedrals in those areas knowing that Catholicism will have a monopoly on Christianity in area. The Italian government does this with the expressed hope of creating a world Catholic state and destroying all other religions in the Holy Crusade. They also fan the flames in regional conflicts by using cathedrals and Catholic schools as recruiting centers for the IRA in Northern Ireland and Lord's Resistance in Uganda to help wage the Holy Crusade against the infidel.
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Replace "Italy" with "Saudi Arabia", "Catholicism" with "Sunni Islam", "Christianity" with "Islam", "cathedral" with "mosque", and "Holy Crusade" with "Jihad" and that is exactly what is going on in the world.
What part of, "I think it is an infringement and abuse of our freedom of religion, and I don't agree with what's happening here because this isn't an innocent mosque." was twisted by the OP?
I should have included a definition of infringement. Silly of me to assume that members on here would know what it means. Here is it for the tea party supporters, along with the 1st Amendment.
in·fringe·ment n.
1. A violation, as of a law, regulation, or agreement; a breach.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
"This image accuses Catholics of un-American ideologies. Contrasting a Catholic priest with the Statue of Liberty emphasizes Catholicism’s reliance on the priesthood and makes the claim that Catholics have loyalty to their church over their country. In the early twentieth century when this image was published, there was an overwhelming fear that since the Catholics were loyal to the Pope, and the Pope was in Rome, Catholics must be loyal to Rome and not to America. The illustration also places a tyrannical priest on top of a mountain of skulls. What is meant by placing the priest on top of a mountain of skulls? In using an imposing looking priest to mimic the Statue of Liberty, what message is being conveyed about Catholicism?
The image was published by Bruce Phelps in 1914, and is an example of the violent clash between Protestants and Catholics in America, which had become commonplace for the time. Fears about “disloyal” Catholics sparked violent outbursts from Protestant groups and political parties who were ready to counteract perceived Catholic aggression. Catholics were not seen as full American citizens and there were many misguided efforts to denounce Catholic patriotism. By contrasting the dark, ugly priest with the smiling, sweet Lady Liberty, the artist paints the picture that Catholics are foreign, unwelcoming, and deadly. Placing the priest on top of a mound of skulls reinforces this ominous overtone of death and the danger. This illustration demonstrates a common Protestant accusation and fear—that Catholics are trying to take over the nation."
No other ideology (religion) is it's own government unto itself. Muslims do not tolerate non-believers, are not to befriend them, and Allah is the supreme ruler.
I'm always astounded by the ability of some to speak so authoritatively about subjects that they are so willfully ignorant.
I'm always astounded by the ability of some to speak so authoritatively about subjects that they are so willfully ignorant.
If I were dictator I would force every teabagger to read the Constitution 10 times and waive their right to vote until they scored at least a C on the test.
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150 years ago Catholics were considered 'incompatible', too.
