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Old 07-24-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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The problem I see is that these Muslims moving in to take over other countries can cling to their culture and nationalism but the peoples' whose countries are being taken over aren't supposed to want to hold onto their cultures.

It kind of pushes them into a corner. They're being told to submit to Islam or else.
I believe the US should stop all immigration from muslims. Sorry, too many years catering to them and their interests.

Let them stay home and complaint there. Or blow up buildings there.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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They were certainly unprepared for this level of aggression. Europe better wake up there are two forces that appear to be picking up, Islamificaion and rightwing aggression to combat it. Both are capable of unleashing deadly terror at a moments notice.
What a sickening world view.
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Hasdrubal muslim Terrorism is more wide spread, it is constant in Pakistan.
in the west there was 1993 WTC bombing, ATL olympics bombing, 9-11, 7/7 london, Madrid Bombings, ect. While the only terror attacts by radicals were the OKC bombings and This attack, totaling about 220 people
Muslim terrorism totals about 3,225 in the west ( not counting russian attacks there are too many)
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Whatever .

Americans seems to love crazy conspiracy theories.
Only crazy Americans do. As this board proves, there are plenty of crazies in this country.

And the recent DHS report has been validated by what happened in Norway. My heartfelt condolences to everyone in your country for your loss.
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:02 PM
 
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What a sickening world view.
You don't want Europe to wake up to what is building?

I think Americans should be more aware also, take a look at what leads to extremist reaction instead of just wring our hands if it happens.

Maybe it won't, maybe it can't. Maybe the EDL isn't real, just some bored soccer fans messing around. Maybe this guy was just a lone nutcase -- let's cross our fingers and hope so.

And let's all hope the Islamization of Europe continues to go forward without a hitch - because those hitches don't seem nice.
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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This guy is the Norwegian Timothy McVeigh...
McVeigh was pissed off by the Waco holocaust and blamed the government for it. He wanted revenge. Thus far, Breivik appears to be motivated by ideology and a dissatisfaction with the political direction and changing demographics of Norway. Their choice of fertilizer bombs is the only common denominator.
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:11 PM
 
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Were there any sensible security plans and measures in play at all?
What "plans and measures" of a sensible nature could prevent this sort of sh.t from happening? The moody-loner-with-guns threat is near-impossible to plan for, unless you want the TSA to run your country.

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From what I've read so far, all the kids seemed to be on their own when this atrocity occurred?
The camp is attractive because it's remote. For what it's worth, the kids' representatives (they elect their own camp leadership) were saying flat-out that this a-hole wouldn't be allowed to change the nature of future camps.
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:17 PM
 
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McVeigh was pissed off by the Waco holocaust and blamed the government for it. He wanted revenge. Thus far, Breivik appears to be motivated by ideology and a dissatisfaction with the political direction and changing demographics of Norway. Their choice of fertilizer bombs is the only common denominator.
True. It doesn't seem that McVeigh had a problem with Muslims or Islam. His was more anti-government and like you said, over what took place at Waco.
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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What "plans and measures" of a sensible nature could prevent this sort of sh.t from happening? The moody-loner-with-guns threat is near-impossible to plan for, unless you want the TSA to run your country.
Probably nothing could have "prevented" it and I didn't imply that it could have been prevented. However, a few security guards with two-way radios sounds reasonable to me? (From what I've read, the kids were pretty much on their own.) Was there a plan in place to deal with emergencies? If a kid falls from a tree and is gravely injured, would it have taken 3 hours to get him to an emergency care center? Contingency plans for unforeseen emergencies are not unreasonable.

How did he get on the island in the first place?
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Old 07-24-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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The problem I see is that these Muslims moving in to take over other countries can cling to their culture and nationalism but the peoples' whose countries are being taken over aren't supposed to want to hold onto their cultures.

It kind of pushes them into a corner. They're being told to submit to Islam or else.
Which countries have Muslims moved into and taken over, in recent times, particularly any first-world countries?

In which of them have the inhabitants been told by Muslim immigrants to submit to Islam or else?
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