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Old 07-28-2011, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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Barry failed those classes while in college. He must have skipped to track down his coke dealer.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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Barry failed those classes while in college. He must have skipped to track down his coke dealer.

Actually, genius, "Barry" said in a news conference that he had spoken to his lawyers and they told him that the 14th amendment doesn't apply in this case.

So apparently you skipped the part of college where they teach you to attribute actions and statements to people who actually do or say them, instead of blindly throwing excrement against a wall hoping it sticks.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


That is what is so great about a Republic.

Democratic MOB rule, does not overcome the US Constitution!
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Maryland about 20 miles NW of DC
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What is not being said is why was this put in the Constitution in the first place. For two reasons actually (1) The Union ran up serious debt in the prosecution the Civil War and generated a lot of IOUs which in light of what happened with the Continental Congress during the American Revolution and during the War of 1812 made a lot of the holders of this debt nervous. (2) There was the question of what to do with the debt of the late Confererate States of America. The CSA ran up a lot of debt and had even less to finance it. So the choice was to let those who had Union obligations that they were good as gold or silver, as to Johnny Reb he was told he was **** out of luck.

So this language is one of many historical artifacts in the Constitution (like the 2nd Ammendment or Prohibition) and says we will still make good on that debt we incured during that little rebellion that occured between 1861-5 if it is still on our books.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.


Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
You missed the first part. It certainly would be an interesting question for the Supreme Court. The Republicans would have to be the ones to file it, so in essence, if they were to file it after the President raised the debt ceiling on his own, then the Republicans would cause us to go in default, if they were to win.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Actually, genius, "Barry" said in a news conference that he had spoken to his lawyers and they told him that the 14th amendment doesn't apply in this case.
The same lawyers who reminded him he was in violation of the War Powers Act. So he's basically cherry picking the stuff he likes to hear from his lawyers?
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:02 PM
 
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You missed the first part. It certainly would be an interesting question for the Supreme Court. The Republicans would have to be the ones to file it, so in essence, if they were to file it after the President raised the debt ceiling on his own, then the Republicans would cause us to go in default, if they were to win.

You cannot cherry pick one section and omit the section that tells which branch has the power to apply it.
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:04 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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If the congress fails to pay our bills as called for in the constitution then many constitutional scholars say the president can do it through an executive order. What will surely follow if he does that, is the Supreme Court will end up making a ruling on which scholars make the best case for or against that action. But he actually has to wait until we start defaulting on our debts to evoke the 14th amendment for it to apply.
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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Actually, genius, "Barry" said in a news conference that he had spoken to his lawyers and they told him that the 14th amendment doesn't apply in this case.

So apparently you skipped the part of college where they teach you to attribute actions and statements to people who actually do or say them, instead of blindly throwing excrement against a wall hoping it sticks.

So you admit that Barry cannot read and understand it for himself and had to consult his lawyers. Does Barry ask whether he should wash his hands after using the toilet?
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