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We've had prisons for centuries and they haven't worked, otherwise crime would have dropped. It is not a deterrent. So, the proposal is to emulate a system where the inhumanity is increased? And others actually propose killing people who commit crimes. Yeah, let's commit crimes against humanity to show these scum how much we value human life and they don't.
Your solutions are the problem. You don't have a clue why things are the way they are and you pour gasoline on the fire in the hopes it disappears. All you do is prove that you can stoop as low as those you condemn. How does that make you any less guilty of a similar crime?
I don't belong to any known religion but the way you heal this situation is to love it back to balance. Yeah, go ahead, skip to the next post because anything that doesn't involve cruelty won't resonate as acceptable justice to you. Which makes me wonder why you think you can apply justice at all? It's not yours to dispense.
As long as you see these criminals as separate from you, as something undesirable, as disposable even, they will loom large, like the fear of monsters to a young child. Could it possibly be that the crimes of others are the mere manifestations of thoughts you yourself are capable of? Are other people really so separated from you that you fail to see yourself reflected in their eyes?
The easiest solution if broadcast with real fervor would indeed bring about instantaneous results. No need to build enclosures or devise security systems. No need to spend a dime. And it's all as easy as deciding whether you want orange juice or coffee in the morning.
Last night I watched on National Geographic a show about Russia's prison system. They seem to have it down pat on how to deal with criminals - no yard socialization time, no let's-get-together-and-play-cards, no opportunities to form ties with other gang members, no libraries from which to persue new ways to tie up the court system. In one instance, prisoners are moved about the facility in a stress position - face down with arms twisted - to discourage problems or any familiarity of how the facility is arranged. Prisoneers answer guards with "Yes, sir!" rather than the "F**k You!" as shown in prisons here where inmates challenge guard authority. Prisons there are properly used for the purpose of punishing those who commit crimes rather than the social engineering illusion of "rehabilitation". These seem to be places where the rehab takes the form of making it such a terrrible place that men would do anything to avoid coming back to such a place. And gang problems, so prevalent in the US prison system, seemed nonexistant.
The US "Justice" system could take a lesson here. And some criminals could also.
"For the first time, three prisons across Russia unlock their doors to an international film crew. From a Siberian prison camp where temperatures plummet to 50 below to the highest security prison, where cannibals, terrorists and serial killers will live out the rest of their days, caged like animals. And, a pass inside infamous Vladimir Central — at over 200 years old, it’s held an estimated one million inmates. Inside Black Dolphin, a cannibal talks openly about his crime, divulging how he boiled, fried and ate his murder victim. In Vladimir Central, a convict opens up about killing his brother-in-law for disturbing his daughter’s peaceful night’s sleep. And inside a Siberian prison camp, we meet two friends about to go their separate ways when one gets paroled."
Comparing Norway to the United States is ridiculous, Norway is more comparable to Utah, where you will find similar crime stats btw.
Then many must admit that the condition of prisons has no significant effect on the rate of crime, as is implied by this facile idea that making them worse would somehow serve as a deterrent.
Then many must admit that the condition of prisons has no significant effect on the rate of crime, as is implied by this facile idea that making them worse would somehow serve as a deterrent.
Making prisons soft hasn't had much of a deterrent effect on crime or the recidivism rate either. Prison is a punishment not a "time out".
I saw that show and although they are very tough on those guys they are held in clean cells with clean halls etc. It isn't really so bad according to many of the prisoners. For instance, it is forbidden to tattoo in those places and yet those guys are covered with tats. Tough as hell but I bet that many of our prisons fail to be anywhere near as clean.
Smart money says it's just another in a long line of potemkin village's.
How many Russian prisons are private and interested in getting more inmates to boost profits?
BTW Nat Geo is part of the Murdoch empire.
1. Nat Geo has one of the finest reputations of any publication.
2. Who needs more prisons when you can just throw journalists and other pests off the roofs of buildings or have them *mugged*?
3. You know where (the former) Mrs Putin is right now? Russia has changed less than you think comrade.
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