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View Poll Results: If CCB had passed, would our Credit Rating have been cut?
Yes, it still would have. We're just in too deep. 55 36.18%
No. It would have shown we were serious about getting spending under control. 93 61.18%
I don't care, I want to keep spending like it's 1999. 4 2.63%
Voters: 152. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-12-2011, 09:20 PM
 
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I can see that we are making remarkable progress after the fiasco and trauma that was the debt ceiling debate-----it warms the heart to know that civility and reason are prevailing and fanatacism and dogma will take a back seat. Yes, indeed I see massive progress toward attacking our debt problem-----the reason train has arrived.

The super committee of 12 will produce well coordinated, incisive analysis and reasoning, and the desire to insure that progress is produced devoid of slogans and partisanship. Oh yes, it is grand indeed where the differences and friction between two poltical parties can be solved in such a professional and viable manner.

This shift from divisivness to reason and logic will settle the national and international markets, and it will lay the groundwork for real progress on our debt dilemma---yes America, everything is going to be ok---reason always prevails.
. I love a dark sense of humor.
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Old 08-12-2011, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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Dang. So glad you explained what caused the economic crisis this country is in.

I was under the impression that it all started with FNMA and derivatives and profit-taking on Wall Street . . . and subprime "liar loans" mortgages . . . and folks buying homes they knew they could never afford . . . and then was exacerbated by "stimulus" fake jobs that cost tax payers a gazillion dollars but solved nothing . . . and bad global trade policies that encouraged our manufacturers to move their operations to China and Malaysia . . . thus causing massive job loss here in the USA.

I sure do appreciate your making it clear that it was a few people who caused all this. Amazing that some folks carrying posters, attending rallies and voting in the polls was able to collapse the USA.
Bears repeating.....thank you.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Cut your entire government and it would take you five years to pay your debt. (Short and Extremely Painful, not going to happen)

Cut half of your government and it would take you 60 years to pay off your debt. The two programs you did choose, Medicare and SS are unfunded by $108 trillion by 2050. (Painful for a very long time, even more unlikely that it's not going to happen)

WWIV.
Ok, what specifically do you want to cut? You can use the New York Times Budget Puzzle and anyone with half a brain will see that there aren't any spending only solutions to the budget.

But once again, the Republicans have hijacked the narrative that the nations should be focusing on the budget and not jobs.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:31 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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The only way this bunch of game players will ever compromise on anything is for the 6 Republicans to go along with the Dems. I am sure that will never happen but maybe you are like most of the Dems on here who don't know what compromise means. I can promise you that it is not accepting anything Dems say and going along with them when they aren't about to do the same. You have seen who Dirty Harry and Nasty Nancy appointed haven't you. Whew, about the biggest group of partisan Democrats in one place in DC when they meet.
Democrats don't know what compromise means? You haven't been paying attention. The Republicans have already declared that taxes are off the table. That's like negotiating with a car dealer who declares that the price is the MSRP but we can discuss the car's color.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Ok, what specifically do you want to cut? You can use the New York Times Budget Puzzle and anyone with half a brain will see that there aren't any spending only solutions to the budget.

But once again, the Republicans have hijacked the narrative that the nations should be focusing on the budget and not jobs.
Obama had 2.5 years to focus on jobs, an he has done nothing. The budget is a jobs issue. Had the Dems agreed to serious cuts we would have kept our triple a rating.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Democrats don't know what compromise means? You haven't been paying attention. The Republicans have already declared that taxes are off the table. That's like negotiating with a car dealer who declares that the price is the MSRP but we can discuss the car's color.
As I recall, Obama took a short term ceiling hike off the table. He was willing to risk default rather than compromise. The republicans are the only party to present legislation. It shouldn't come as a surprise, the Dems haven't managed to pass a budget in over 800 days.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:02 AM
 
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S&P didn't downgrade due to debt or the ceiling being raised. How many times did they downgrade us all the previous times the ceiling was raised or we increased our debt? None. So what's different now? A "minority of voices" as the S&P spokesperson said, who are willing to "burn the village in order to save it" in their view. Radicals who go into government to destroy it.

Damned straight I vote.
No what happened was we hit a GDP to debt ratio of 1:1.

They downgraded because we didn't cut $4 trillion like they said we should do to get our fiscal house in order.

The logical conclusion is S&P are teabaggers.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:09 AM
 
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Democrats don't know what compromise means? You haven't been paying attention. The Republicans have already declared that taxes are off the table. That's like negotiating with a car dealer who declares that the price is the MSRP but we can discuss the car's color.
Your partisan hacks will compromise as soon as they get back from their swimming, diving, parachuting they were doing to get their illegal healthcare bill passed.

They haven't the slightest of clues how to compromise on anything.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Obama had 2.5 years to focus on jobs, an he has done nothing. The budget is a jobs issue. Had the Dems agreed to serious cuts we would have kept our triple a rating.
First, you complain about the stimulus, then you claim that Obama has done nothing. Those are contradictory positions.

Second, Obama asked for a bigger stimulus and had to settle for a watered down one that the Republicans insisted had to be laden with tax-cuts.

Every proposal by Obama had to improve the job situation has received Republican opposition -- all while the Republicans make no proposal other than their what they call for in good times or bad -- tax-cuts.

Let's face it, the Republicans are hypocrites. They oppose every Obama proposal after his overwhelming election, then, when they win the House in 2010 declare that they have the mandate. They ignore Obama's mandate and declare their own when it's convenient.

The Republicans oppose any tax increase and declare that the people don't want to raise taxes, yet every poll says that voters want higher taxes on the wealthy.

To say that Obama has done nothing for jobs one has to be willfully blind.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Your partisan hacks will compromise as soon as they get back from their swimming, diving, parachuting they were doing to get their illegal healthcare bill passed.

They haven't the slightest of clues how to compromise on anything.
Oh really. It seems the Republican Speaker disagrees:

Boehner: "I got 98 percent of what I wanted"
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