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Old 08-03-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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... they just play one on TV".

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/08/03-10

Roman Senator Marcus Cato (the Joe Lieberman of his time) used to end every oration, regardless of the topic, with the same exhortation: "Carthego delende est!" (Carthage must be destroyed).

From now till 2012, I'm going to end every post with an exhortation too: "Dump Obama!"
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Nor are the Republicans a Conservative Party. Both are just the right and left wings of the American Property Party.
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:52 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Progressive & RINO's
lead to Fascism.
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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Progressive & RINO's
lead to Fascism.
Lead to? LEAD TO?
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Old 08-03-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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The GOP won the propaganda war, forcing the Dems to move right.

What the Democrats need to re-establish is that they are a party of working people, regardless of color. The Repubs gained a lot of white, working class support because of racial politics and the dems being viewed as a party of "special interests" like the gay lobby. Whether these things are true or not is irrelevant, because in politics it's perception that matters, little else. One of the first issues Clinton went after when he got into office: gays in the military. Why? Catering to a special interest group. Stupid move, part of why the dems lost the house in 94.

It started with the racial stuff, and now you have trailer park dwellers making 40K a year who support the GOP and spout off right wing rhetoric like they're buddies with William F. Buckley or something. "You can't cut capital gains, it will kill economic growth!" WTF do you know about ecomic growth, bubba? You live in a double wide and fix pickups for a living.

The Dems need to forget about gay rights, push the environmental stuff to the back burner a bit, and go back to New Deal type policies to re-establish a base.
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Please clarify what "racial stuff" you refer to. It sounds like you are simply repeating common criticisms of Republicans that are really just old stereotypes repeated for convenience.
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:56 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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What the Democrats need to re-establish is that they are a party of working people
That will never happen as long as the Dems continue to INSIST on being the party of the freeloaders, and the working people are forced to pay taxes to support the freeloaders.
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Old 08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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This is nothing new. Dems are arguably more right than Nixon. They haven't been progressive in decades.
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Old 08-03-2011, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Nor are the Republicans a Conservative Party. Both are just the right and left wings of the American Property Party.
The Treasury Looter's Reelection Club. It's not as if this $14 trillion in debt is all 0bama's, but he is in a one man race to be responsible for at least half of it.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Riverside
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The GOP won the propaganda war, forcing the Dems to move right.

What the Democrats need to re-establish is that they are a party of working people, regardless of color. The Repubs gained a lot of white, working class support because of racial politics and the dems being viewed as a party of "special interests" like the gay lobby. Whether these things are true or not is irrelevant, because in politics it's perception that matters, little else. One of the first issues Clinton went after when he got into office: gays in the military. Why? Catering to a special interest group. Stupid move, part of why the dems lost the house in 94.

It started with the racial stuff, and now you have trailer park dwellers making 40K a year who support the GOP and spout off right wing rhetoric like they're buddies with William F. Buckley or something. "You can't cut capital gains, it will kill economic growth!" WTF do you know about ecomic growth, bubba? You live in a double wide and fix pickups for a living.

The Dems need to forget about gay rights, push the environmental stuff to the back burner a bit, and go back to New Deal type policies to re-establish a base.
"Proaganda" has negative connotations. I prefer to call it "persuasion".

You're right, though. Over the past 40 years, the Right has been much more successful than the Left at "framing" their arguments, by appeals to emotions, especially fear, unfortunately. But hey, whatever motivates the base, right? Neuroligist George Lakoff has written a couple of interesting books on how this works at the brain-biology level.

Interesting point about Clinton and gays in the military. Kind of the same thing happened to Obama, too, with health care. But it's a little ungracious to say either man was attempting to appease a "special interest" group. I think they both thought they were doing the right thing for society at large- their political timing was atrocious, though.

As far as establishing a Dem base- it's been here all along, waiting for the right leader. We all hoped it was Obama, but clearly we were wrong. We needed FDR, and we got Carter instead.

Obama delende est!
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