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Old 08-13-2011, 05:23 AM
 
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It is Senator Reid who deserves the bulk of the blame, not Speaker Pelosi.

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Old 08-13-2011, 05:45 AM
 
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For the people cheering for it being declared unconstitutional, what are you thinking? You think it is OK for taxpayers to have to pay for people who don't have insurance and can't pay? Or do you think that people who can't pay should be denied healthcare? Our current system is untenable, so what is your plan?

Its funny that there is now all this consternation over the individual mandate. That was included as a concession to conservatives who proposed it in the past. It is based in personal responsibility and the private market, rather than big government. What we really need is single payer.
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Old 08-13-2011, 05:56 AM
 
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Don't want to buy car insurance don't drive a car on public roads. You have a choice. It's not enforced by the federal government it's a state thing.
I guess we'll have to do the same thing with healthcare. You don't buy insurance, you don't get healthcare.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:16 AM
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Its funny that there is now all this consternation over the individual mandate. That was included as a concession to conservatives who proposed it in the past.
Right - the mandate was only added to appease conservatives who had no power to block the bill no matter what was in it. That would explain why the libs are fighting tooth and nail to keep it in.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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Right - the mandate was only added to appease conservatives who had no power to block the bill no matter what was in it. That would explain why the libs are fighting tooth and nail to keep it in.
Actually, it was to appease the conservative democrats. But this was always how the republicans proposed reforming healthcare, back to Nixon.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:23 AM
 
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Right - the mandate was only added to appease conservatives who had no power to block the bill no matter what was in it. That would explain why the libs are fighting tooth and nail to keep it in.
I know what you mean. That's the irony of it. Reversed roles. The republicans wanted something until they figured out a way to use it to make democrats look bad.

Whatever though. I don't want to have to pay for anyone else's health coverage other than mine, my family's, and possibly my employees. Make the under-insured work off their medical debts, rather than using taxpayer money to cover them.
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Old 08-13-2011, 06:59 AM
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Whatever though. I don't want to have to pay for anyone else's health coverage other than mine, my family's, and possibly my employees.
That's too bad, because you're already paying for medicare, medicaid, CHIP, and every active and retired public worker...
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Old 08-13-2011, 07:04 AM
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Actually, it was to appease the conservative democrats. But this was always how the republicans proposed reforming healthcare, back to Nixon.
That's funny, I can't seem to recall any "conservative" democrat threatening to filibuster if it didn't contain a mandate.

What I do seem to recall was the insurance industry lobbying for a mandate to bring them hordes of healthy customers who rarely file a claim against them...
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Old 08-13-2011, 07:04 AM
 
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That's too bad, because you're already paying for medicare, medicaid, CHIP, and every active and retired public worker...
i don't mind chip, and government workers. That makes sense... but medicaid and other crap?
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Old 08-13-2011, 07:05 AM
 
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Did someone lose sight of the fact that only this aspect of the law was declared unconstitutional, where the whole of the rest of it was upheld?
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