It appears next up on the loons agenda is normalizing pedophelia's (financial, manifesto)

[bluesjuke]

Originally Posted by Dutchman01

They have only to follow the path layed out by the gay community in it's efforts to gain acceptance by straight society. When one considers the fact most/many male homosexual's first encounter is with much older males anyway one can almost see acceptance happening for pedophiles within the next twenty years or so.

http://www.afany.org/HPR.pdf

There was a time when even the homosexuals weren't very accepting of transsexuals.

[faeryedark]

Originally Posted by GuyNTexas

Meet:



Here we have someone who thinks highly of pedophiles .... scoffing at those who find them to be vile creatures.

And I hold NO PRE-JUDICE .... It is POST-JUDGMENT based on actions and statements that are vile and show the lack of character and morality of the group you defend.

Hmmmmm..... A would be murderer (if only they could get away with it) is not better than an actual pedophile. The taking of life versus the taking of innocence....and in some cases (if wrongly convicted ) it would be the taking of INNOCENT life..which would be the worst
And if people get their jollies by watching people being murdered (under the excuse of "it's only a pedophile") One would have to wonder if they just like to watch people die and are only looking for an excuse.
And what's to say, if Junior grows up with mommy and daddy going to gleefully watch a public execution of some "sick bastard" that when he hears that "Joe Shmo" down the street is a "sick bastard'...he won't just take him out and save everyone the trouble.
The idea of my children growing up in a world (in a supposedly civilised country) in which people can watch others be killed...makes me want to barf.

[faeryedark]

Originally Posted by nimchimpsky

I don't think djacques is saying that pedophiles aren't morally defunct. But wanting to watch people murdered publicly is just as morally defunct.

Yes, this exactly...short and sweet and to the point, thanks!

[faeryedark]

Originally Posted by Theophane

Instead of publically executing convicted pedophiles, why not just keep with the tradition of turning them over to the tender mercies of prison inmates? Jeffrey Dahmer was not a pedophile, but he was murdered by another inmate and I think that was the best possible outcome for him.

Yes, let's breed killers in prison..in fact let's teach them how to do it better, so that when our country goes completely bankrupt and many of them are turned loose, they can murder more efficiently

[Dutchman01]

Originally Posted by bluesjuke

There was a time when even the homosexuals weren't very accepting of transsexuals.

Really? I find that very interesting.

[Dutchman01]

Originally Posted by NMyTree

Oh brother. You people will believe anything anyone vomits onto a page.

What a load of nonsense. You people can't even recogonize pure propaganda when you see it.

Well, the truth is. People like you insist on believing anything that nurtures, grows and enforces your hate for homosexuals. Of course your hate is typically based on lunatic religious beliefs, sourced from a religious book written by human beings; for the purpose of manipulation, discrimination, bigotry and control.

But selective critical thinking is the standard, with these type of people.

You think critically when it appeases your existing hateful and biased disposition.

But suddenly, critical thinking evaporates when considering the source of your beliefs and application of such beliefs.

Here's a clue, any Spiritual Book of Any Religion that teaches, preaches and advocates hate, discrimination, bigotry and the demonization of any certain group of people or individuals; while attempting to some how raise yourselves up on an Ivory Throne of Entitlement, Superiority, Self-Righteousness and Moral Higher Ground is not a book based on Love and positive values.

I love posts like this. You are absolutely against intolerance and religion for fomenting intolerance by being..............intolerant of anyone or group that doesn't possess your values. Remarkable. You are what you oppose...........and don't even know it.

For instance, I am a athiest and not all christian churches oppose homosexuality.



source (http://www.gaychurch.org/Find_a_Church/united_states/us_arkansas.htm - broken link)

Welcoming Gay Friendly Churches in Arkansas - AR

(sorted by city, denomination and then church name)


27 churches

All Saints Bentonville Bentonville Episcopal

Berryville First UMC Berryville United Methodist Church

St. James' Episcopal Church Eureka Springs Episcopal
MCC of the Living Spring Eureka Springs MCC

St. Martin's Episcopal/Lutheran Chapel and University Center Fayetteville Episcopal, Lutheran, ELCA
St. Paul's Episcopal Church Fayetteville Episcopal
Good Shepherd Lutheran Church Fayetteville Lutheran, ELCA
Restoration Fellowship in Jesus Christ Fayetteville Non-denominational
Church of Kindred Spirit Fayetteville Non-denominational
Mountain Song Fellowship Fayetteville United Church of Christ

Hope Lutheran Church Heber Springs Lutheran, ELCA

Parkview Christian Church Little Rock Disciples of Christ
Pulaski Heights Christian Church Little Rock Disciples of Christ
San Damiano Ecumenical Catholic Communion Little Rock Ecumenical Catholic..................

[Dutchman01]

Originally Posted by NMyTree

Oh and for the record, the fact you desperately try to incorporate Homosexuality with pedophilia, only serves to expose yourself.

The reality is, if one is determined to do so: one could incoporate and tie-in just about anything, with anything else.

There's been no more extensive and prolific group of people or organized entities in prepetuating incest, pedophilia, sexual perversion, dispicable demented torture and mass murder; than the Big Two Religions: Christianity, Islam (and that includes Catholicism and Judism). Using your reasoning and the reasoning of Theophane and buddy5, we should have outlawed organized religions centuries ago and all participants should have been and should continue to be executed.

Funny how you folks are not gathering the pitch forks and torches for that "Cause".

Selective thinking, Selective "Morals and Values".

You do realize of course that the very best mass murderers of the 20th century were all........ good socialist athiests don't you?

source

...........Estimated number of victimsIn the introduction, editor Stéphane Courtois asserts that "...Communist regimes...turned mass crime into a full-blown system of government". He cites a death toll which totals 94 million, not counting the "excess deaths" (decrease of the population due to lower than-expected birth rates). The breakdown of the number of deaths given by Courtois is as follows:

65 million in the People's Republic of China
20 million in the Soviet Union[3]
2 million in Cambodia
2 million in North Korea
1.7 million in Africa
1.5 million in Afghanistan
1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe
1 million in Vietnam[4]
150,000 in Latin America
10,000 deaths "resulting from actions of the international Communist movement and Communist parties not in power."(p. 4)
Courtois claims that Communist regimes are responsible for a greater number of deaths than any other political ideal or movement, including Nazism. The statistics of victims includes executions, intentional destruction of population by starvation, and deaths resulting from deportations, physical confinement, or through forced labor.

[edit] Soviet repressionsRepressions and famines occurring in the Soviet Union under the regime of Joseph Stalin described in the book include:

the executions of tens of thousands of hostages and prisoners, and the murder of hundreds of thousands of rebellious workers and peasants from 1918 to 1922 (See also: Red Terror)
the Russian famine of 1921, which caused the death of 5 million people
the extermination and deportation of the Don Cossacks in 1920
the murder of tens of thousands in concentration camps in the period between 1918 and 1930
the Great Purge which killed almost 690,000 people
the deportation of 2 million so-called "kulaks" from 1930 to 1932
the deaths of 4 million Ukrainians (Holodomor) and 2 million others during the famine of 1932 and 1933
the deportations of Poles, Ukrainians, Moldavians and people from the Baltic Republics from 1939 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1945
the deportation of the Volga Germans in 1941
the deportation of the Crimean Tatars in 1943
the deportation of the Chechens in 1944
the deportation of the Ingush in 1944.(p. 9-10) (See also: Population transfer in the Soviet Union)
[edit] Comparison of Communism and NazismCourtois considers Communism and Nazism slightly different totalitarian systems. He claims that Communist regimes have killed "approximately 100 million people in contrast to the approximately 25 million victims of Nazis".[5] Courtois claims that Nazi Germany's methods of mass extermination were adopted from Soviet methods. As an example, he cites Nazi state official Rudolf Höss who organized the infamous death camp in Auschwitz. According to Höss,[5]

The Reich Security Head Office issued to the commandants a full collection of reports concerning the Russian concentration camps. These described in great detail the conditions in, and organization of, the Russian camps, as supplied by former prisoners who had managed to escape. Great emphasis was placed on the fact that the Russians, by their massive employment of forced labor, had destroyed whole peoples.

Courtois argues that the Soviet genocides of peoples living in the Caucasus and exterminations of large social groups in Russia were not very much different from similar policies by Nazis. Both Communist and Nazi systems deemed "a part of humanity unworthy of existence. The difference is that the Communist model is based on the class system, the Nazi model on race and territory."[5] Courtois stated that[6]

The "genocide of a "class" may well be tantamount to the genocide of a "race" - the deliberate starvation of a child of a Ukrainian kulak as a result of the famine caused by Stalin's regime "is equal to" the starvation of a Jewish child in the Warsaw ghetto as a result of the famine caused by the Nazi regime.

He also added that "after 1945 the Jewish genocide became a byword for modern barbarism, the epitome of twentieth-century mass terror... more recently, a single-minded focus on the Jewish genocide in an attempt to characterize the Holocaust as a unique atrocity has also prevented the assessment of other episodes of comparable magnitude in the Communist world. After all, it seems scarcely plausible that the victors who had helped bring about the destruction of a genocidal apparatus might themselves have put the very same methods into practice. When faced with this paradox, people generally preferred to bury their heads in sand.".........

[bluesjuke]

Originally Posted by Dutchman01

Really? I find that very interesting.

They thought it bizarre and it would reflect poorly on their goals if they were included.

[Dutchman01]

Originally Posted by bluesjuke

They thought it bizarre and it would reflect poorly on their goals if they were included.

They underestimated the power of hollywood.

[Cunucu Beach]

Originally Posted by faeryedark

The idea of my children growing up in a world (in a supposedly civilised country) in which people can watch others be killed...makes me want to barf.

Executions by beheading are public in Saudi Arabia and you would be shocked by the numbers of people who show up at the mosque square every Friday for them. Really, this is just about the only "public entertainment" there is over there......no movies, no stage plays, no concerts in the park, no night clubs, no dancing. All those things are considered "Western decadence". Is it any wonder people who live in those countries grow up with an immunity to the horror of beheading someone?