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Old 08-30-2011, 01:38 AM
 
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Being just a tad disingenuous, are we? John Boehner is Speaker of the House. As such he is a powerful leader within the Republican Party. I don't need to make surmises or conjecture on what his stance will be. He has already made that very plain to anyone who hasn't been sleeping under a rock this past 6 months and more. I feel none of your optimism that the Super Committee is going to all become new best friends forever. If the Dems and Repubs had that kind of leadership and that kind of ability to compromise, there would be no need for the Committee. Both sides have a vested interest in fight dirty and doing whatever it takes to get their own way. Country be damned.



What are you? Boehner's PR guy? Boehner is what he is - an intransigent party hack. His game of brinkmanship helped the US to lose its AAA credit rating from S & P. At least Reid and Pelosi were willing to offer some compromise.

My goodness, it certainly is easy to push your buttons on Boehner.
No, not Boehners PR guy. Just someone who can take an objective view of things. Perhaps you should give it a try. Because all that can be taken from your rant is that you hate John Boehner and the GOP. That's it. There's nothing, and I mean nothing, to suggest that what you stated will come true. Furthermore, you have not provided any emperical data stating what Democrats will put forth. You've only provided what you think the GOP will offer. Where's the other side? What will they offer? Why did you leave that out?

I'll tell you why. Because your entire rant is Democrats Are Great, Republicans Are Awful tripe that is lacking in objectivity. If it wasn't then you'd provide an equally balanced portrayal of what you think Democrats will put forth. But you didn't.

TOTAL AND COMPLETE FAIL. Next time, don't try to disguise your hatred for conservatism in some ill-conceived rant and try to pass it off as an intelligent thought process.
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The Obama plan was 4 trillion in spending cuts, with some huge chunks coming from medicare, medicaid and low income assistance programs. All he was asking for was the right to chip in 1 trillion from the tax cuts to the rich, that's it..
obamy never had a plan..just talk

and why should we DISCRIMINATE against one group...are we NOT ALL IN THE GAME???
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
House Speaker John Boehner’s budget proposal will change the face of the American social and political landscape - increasing poverty, putting hundreds of thousands of low income Americans out on the streets, denying medical assistance to the low income disabled and elderly, and eviscerating the SNAP or “food stamps” program. Boehner would have American Society regress to the era of the 30's as described by John Steinbeck in his great and tragic novel, “The Grapes of Wrath.”

Boehner’s plan can properly be called “class warfare,” and a significant consequence of this class warfare can't help but translate to racial warfare, as well.

As we all know by now, Boehner’s manifesto rejects all tax increases. A House GOP aide talking about the Republican members of the deficit reduction committee (“the gang of six”) said bluntly: “We appoint members to the committee, and we’re not appointing any Republicans who will vote for tax hikes.”

Instead, a $1.8 trillion reduction will come from “entitlement reforms and savings.”

This savings will be acquired over the next ten years by one of three possible methods – all equally draconian:

•Behind Door Number One: Cut Social Security and Medicare benefits heavily for current retirees - a form of political suicide that even extremists like Boehner will not actually contemplate.

•Door Number Two: Repeal the Affordable Care Act’s coverage expansions while retaining its strictures that cut Medicare payments and raise tax revenues. However, Republicans will seek to repeal many of those measures as well. (Yes, I am also confused by this last).

•Door Number Three: Completely obliterate the social safety net for low-income children, parents, senior citizens, and people with disabilities.

Absent any compromise on tax increases, there are simply no other ways to obtain $1.8 trillion in entitlement cuts within the next decade.

In addition (yes, it gets worse), House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s own plan would slash Medicaid and health reform by $2.2 trillion. Ryan would also cut $127 billion from SNAP and reduce Pell Grants and other student financial assistance by $126 billion. Looking for an education to get you a better job or pull you solidly into the middle class? Keep looking. And remember what happened to Oliver Twist when he asked for more soup.

Previously, core assistance programs for the poor were exempted from across the board cuts by the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings law, enacted in 1985. Now, the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” bill will remove these exemptions. With an election coming up, which door are the Republicans likely to choose? Don’t all answer at once. The entitlement cuts will most heavily target the programs created for people of lesser means and, yes Virginia, less political power.

Meanwhile, the many lucrative tax breaks that benefit the wealthy and the powerful corporations have been pledged protection by Boehner who certainly shows great sympathy for the robber baron class if no one else.

Extra credit question: Who said, "This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community $60,000 during his lifetime. Fellow Countryman, that is your money, too."

a) Charles Darwin
b) Sarah Palin
c) Office of Social Policy’s “A New People”
(hint: “C” was translated from the German)

All of the above is written in my own words. My major source for the information came from the non partisan outfit, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: http://www.cbpp.org/files/7-25-11bud-stmt.pdf.

P*ss poor attitude copped from Bill the Cat (Remember him? Bloom County? Never mind)

PS This is NOT a diatribe directed at any member of CD (unless John Boehner became a member when I wasn’t looking), but if thinking so helps you get through another night scrounging through the dumpsters, feel free.

Hey, life is tough. Never put yourself in a position in which you are a beggar and dependent upon the good will of the government. We are broke, therefore the entitlements (as well as the military) must be cut. Obama blew the treasury on "stimulus" and there is no money left.

************** If we taxed "the rich" (those making more than $250K per year) at 100% (slavery), we would only generate $900 billion in revenue (i.e. we would still have an annual deficit of $700 billion under current spending).

Why do liberals not understand this simple math?
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:01 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It's too simplistic to just blame Obama, though. As far as I'm concerned, both parties have scr*wed the pooch.
Yet your initial post seemed to just blame Republicans...

I actually believe NEITHER party cares too much about the people but more about retaining/gaining power.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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This entire thread is why we have to reincarnate an honest version of Huey Long and restart a POPULIST PARTY and throw out both the Republican plutocrats and the wealth corrupted Democrats. We need a party that works for the 90% of us that will never see real wealth.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:20 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Originally Posted by Colorado Rambler View Post
House Speaker John Boehner’s budget proposal will change the face of the American social and political landscape - increasing poverty, putting hundreds of thousands of low income Americans out on the streets, denying medical assistance to the low income disabled and elderly, and eviscerating the SNAP or “food stamps” program. Boehner would have American Society regress to the era of the 30's as described by John Steinbeck in his great and tragic novel, “The Grapes of Wrath.”

Boehner’s plan can properly be called “class warfare,” and a significant consequence of this class warfare can't help but translate to racial warfare, as well.

As we all know by now, Boehner’s manifesto rejects all tax increases. A House GOP aide talking about the Republican members of the deficit reduction committee (“the gang of six”) said bluntly: “We appoint members to the committee, and we’re not appointing any Republicans who will vote for tax hikes.”

Instead, a $1.8 trillion reduction will come from “entitlement reforms and savings.”

This savings will be acquired over the next ten years by one of three possible methods – all equally draconian:

•Behind Door Number One: Cut Social Security and Medicare benefits heavily for current retirees - a form of political suicide that even extremists like Boehner will not actually contemplate.

•Door Number Two: Repeal the Affordable Care Act’s coverage expansions while retaining its strictures that cut Medicare payments and raise tax revenues. However, Republicans will seek to repeal many of those measures as well. (Yes, I am also confused by this last).

•Door Number Three: Completely obliterate the social safety net for low-income children, parents, senior citizens, and people with disabilities.

Absent any compromise on tax increases, there are simply no other ways to obtain $1.8 trillion in entitlement cuts within the next decade.

In addition (yes, it gets worse), House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s own plan would slash Medicaid and health reform by $2.2 trillion. Ryan would also cut $127 billion from SNAP and reduce Pell Grants and other student financial assistance by $126 billion. Looking for an education to get you a better job or pull you solidly into the middle class? Keep looking. And remember what happened to Oliver Twist when he asked for more soup.

Previously, core assistance programs for the poor were exempted from across the board cuts by the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings law, enacted in 1985. Now, the “Cut, Cap, and Balance” bill will remove these exemptions. With an election coming up, which door are the Republicans likely to choose? Don’t all answer at once. The entitlement cuts will most heavily target the programs created for people of lesser means and, yes Virginia, less political power.

Meanwhile, the many lucrative tax breaks that benefit the wealthy and the powerful corporations have been pledged protection by Boehner who certainly shows great sympathy for the robber baron class if no one else.

Extra credit question: Who said, "This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community $60,000 during his lifetime. Fellow Countryman, that is your money, too."

a) Charles Darwin
b) Sarah Palin
c) Office of Social Policy’s “A New People”
(hint: “C” was translated from the German)

All of the above is written in my own words. My major source for the information came from the non partisan outfit, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities: http://www.cbpp.org/files/7-25-11bud-stmt.pdf.

P*ss poor attitude copped from Bill the Cat (Remember him? Bloom County? Never mind)

PS This is NOT a diatribe directed at any member of CD (unless John Boehner became a member when I wasn’t looking), but if thinking so helps you get through another night scrounging through the dumpsters, feel free.
This is so true and the sad part is most of the poor in the south will vote for this all day long. They feel they should be peasants.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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We all see difficulties ahead. I propose a partial solution, but a big first step: stop buying foreign made goods. The loss of jobs through out-sourcing is the root cause of our problem.
Good thought...just not possible.

In my business we can't buy American made pumps or, fittings.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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things are bad for me right now also.I cannot aford to feed clothes house and buy big screen tv's for everyone else right now.obamas stash is only what he steals from the working class and we are broke. what else do you want from us
You are one of the poor in the south I was talking about. Keep working to benefit your republican royalty. Its obviously in your DNA. While they keep telling you that they are the party of the white man they do everything to destroy your poor a%^.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:27 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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From what I have seen we really started having more problems since the 60's so called social programs really. I think perhpas having to work at survival will have a good effect that the porgrams caused really.
You mean the awful civil rights act? Oh yeah that is where all your problems started I'm sure of it.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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This government of ours creates its own problems.. the illegals get handouts and have many babies to collect welfare as the illegals who have babies,our government declares them as American babies while the men of these babies get jobs and the illegal women take money for each baby born over here . Many Americans don't have children because they can't afford them.

The working poor take nothing while the illegals make a better life than Americans because of this corrupt system... welfare cheats while having the man working for the household get a higher standard of living buying new vehicles , have paid housing and food stamps... life is good for the illegals while american born have no birthright at all.

Plus Obama fights against the states who want to save their state from bankruptcy. Plus billions of american dollars are sent out of the country into bank accounts.

10 years of billions of dollars spent with handouts, it is no wonder we are broke supporting the illegals babies while the working poor americans are getting the shaft paying their share of taxes. The government steals for the american poor and spends it on giveaways to others who are here illegally.
The difference is , many true Americans don't want the hand outs and will do without and keep there dignity of working hard for every dollar. The illegals see it , not as their country , just a free ride with no conscience taking what is not theirs. Many Americans work hard and see the government freely giving to illegals who take every advantage to get a buck , a food stamp card or free housing while the true American wants to make it on their own without government assistance. It is called deep rooted integrity of many American people.
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