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Old 08-31-2011, 11:47 PM
 
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November of next year is going to be great fun!
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:53 PM
 
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I think it will be very very very difficult for Obama to be re-elected. The economy has not improved enough and the unemployment figures are just too high.
Not a chance. The economy was on a full blown nosedive and Obama was able to at least stabilize the massacre the republicans and Bush did to the economy. The american people gave the tea party and the right wingers another chance in 2010, but they have proven again they are hell bent on destroying the country and could care less about the deficit or job creation, just bankrolling the rich. Their horrific approval numbers show this loud and clear.

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People vote their pocketbooks. If the economy and jobs situation were better I think the situation would be different. I would not personally place a wager on Obama's re-election.
People vote for many reasons. The economy, their stances on social issues, what religion they are,..Even trivial things like they "look" like they would make a good president, the way they are dressed etc,..

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I don't think the Republicans will be foolish enough to pick Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, or Rick Santorum ... they do not have credibility; I do think the GOP will pick a candidate that is very moderate and attractive.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the right. Bachmann's ship is sinking and if she does drop, I bet there is a good chance Palin will come into her spot. The GOP has gone so incredibly far to the right, they will throw their support behind nutcases like Bachmann. A moderate republican will not stand a chance as they will be bashed as a RINO such as Romney from the extremists, plus with how Obama is for the most part a center/right republican, they are both pretty much the same person.

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On the other hand, whoever wins it will be with only a very small majority. If Republicans are hoping for some kind of sweeping landslide, they should forget it - Obama will still win the populous states like California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, etc. Furthermore if Obama is defeated, the Democrats might pick up seats in the House and still control the Senate.
The only person that has any chance of beating Obama is Paul, but there is no way the right wing establishment would ever let that happen. Otherwise it will be a solid Obama win.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:38 AM
 
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Okay, so he gets elected.

What's in it for us?
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:47 AM
 
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7 out of 8 aint bad
lol...exactly!
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:50 AM
 
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Not a chance. The economy was on a full blown nosedive and Obama was able to at least stabilize the massacre the republicans and Bush did to the economy. The american people gave the tea party and the right wingers another chance in 2010, but they have proven again they are hell bent on destroying the country and could care less about the deficit or job creation, just bankrolling the rich. Their horrific approval numbers show this loud and clear.



People vote for many reasons. The economy, their stances on social issues, what religion they are,..Even trivial things like they "look" like they would make a good president, the way they are dressed etc,..



Don't underestimate the stupidity of the right. Bachmann's ship is sinking and if she does drop, I bet there is a good chance Palin will come into her spot. The GOP has gone so incredibly far to the right, they will throw their support behind nutcases like Bachmann. A moderate republican will not stand a chance as they will be bashed as a RINO such as Romney from the extremists, plus with how Obama is for the most part a center/right republican, they are both pretty much the same person.



The only person that has any chance of beating Obama is Paul, but there is no way the right wing establishment would ever let that happen. Otherwise it will be a solid Obama win.
I didn't see anything in your post about Democrats holding the House and Senate starting in 2006? Why is that? Is it because you cringe at the thought of admitting Democratic culpability?

Come clean. Just this once.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:57 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Default He's right again

The economy is not doing well because of the GOP. It is hurting because of a broken Congress courtesy of the GOP/Tea Party. 13 years running now the GOP has negatively impacted the economy, first with Bush, now with Congress.

Obstructing the President doesn't make him a failure. But it sure does make the regressive obstructionists targets for being replaced. Only morons look past the effects of Bush and the succeeding obstructionists in the GOP, and blame the President for shortcomings.

This is the first time that racists in Congress have opposed a black President at every turn, hurting the economy and the country in the process AFTER they wrecked the economy over 8 years. Pathetic, the GOP.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:05 AM
 
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The economy is not doing well because of the GOP. It is hurting because of a broken Congress courtesy of the GOP/Tea Party. 13 years running now the GOP has negatively impacted the economy, first with Bush, now with Congress.

Obstructing the President doesn't make him a failure. But it sure does make the regressive obstructionists targets for being replaced. Only morons look past the effects of Bush and the succeeding obstructionists in the GOP, and blame the President for shortcomings.

This is the first time that racists in Congress have opposed a black President at every turn, hurting the economy and the country in the process AFTER they wrecked the economy over 8 years. Pathetic, the GOP.
These posts are like a train wreck. Everyone is rubber-necking in order to get a glimpse of the carnage.

Get well soon A_Lexus!
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:28 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The fact is the Republicans are likely to nominate someone too far right to win a general election. Obama, sadly, will most likely win in 2012. I feel sorry for our children and grandchildren.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The economy is not doing well because of the GOP. It is hurting because of a broken Congress courtesy of the GOP/Tea Party. 13 years running now the GOP has negatively impacted the economy, first with Bush, now with Congress.

Obstructing the President doesn't make him a failure. But it sure does make the regressive obstructionists targets for being replaced. Only morons look past the effects of Bush and the succeeding obstructionists in the GOP, and blame the President for shortcomings.

This is the first time that racists in Congress have opposed a black President at every turn, hurting the economy and the country in the process AFTER they wrecked the economy over 8 years. Pathetic, the GOP.
I hear marijuana is legal in California. Ya must have got hold of some.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:07 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The real question is who would beat him?

Average Americans know whose interests Republicans serve and who's responsible for the mess we're in. I think this will be one of the lowest turnout elections in history as people are sick and tired of the "hold your nose and vote" scenario.

According to a mid-August Gallup poll, Romney leads him by two points and Perry is tied. Ron Paul and Michelle Bachmann are within the 4% margin of error, but this survey was taken August 17-18, and before a dramatic decline in support for president Obama at month's end.

Gallup Poll: Four Republican Presidential Candidates Competitive Against Obama - Daniel Doherty

Note that while his approval rating only declines from 43.6% on the 19th to 43% presently, his disapproval rate increased 2.1% in the same time frame for a 2.7% support shift in just twelve days.

RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Obama Job Approval

Also note the two latest polls (Rasmussen, Gallup 8/30) both have president Obama under water by 15%.

The most commonly used examples of unpopular presidents who each won reelection (Reagan, Clinton) had strong economic growth and massive private sector hiring driving the upswing in their approval numbers. At the center of these strong economic recoveries was a very strong US dollar. In the case of Reagan, the US dollar hit its all time high in May of 1984. Without a strong dollar, full economic recovery becomes impossible. On the number one issue, jobs and the economy, a mere 26% of Americans approve of Obama's performance. That's too low to be elected anything, let alone president.

Some senior liberal voices have gotten the message and are now being heard to call for a primary challenger, and let's not forget Hillary is still a wild card. Apart from Obama, Democrats would be wise to learn from Bill Clinton's example and admit screwing up. Bubba did and it earned him a second term. Besides, there's no way to gloss over $4 trillion in new debt and 9.1% unemployment because no matter what you say, the numbers still speak for themselves. Furthermore, Obama can't run on not being Bush and accusing his opponent of being another Bush because after nearly three years of Obama, Bush looks pretty good. If that's all the ammo he's got, he's done.
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