Report shows Obamacare increases healthcare costs

[EinsteinsGhost]

Originally Posted by pghquest

Nothing of substance to add. Still waiting for you to discuss errors in the report. How long will that take?

There is nothing in the report for me to discuss. I don't like to take any such report at face value much less when dealing with analysis on cause and effect issues that the report couldn't care less about. It works for you, because you get informed without relevant information, as long as it supports political hackery.

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by pghquest

"when key provisions of the new feederal health-care law kick in"..

What federal healthcare law if not Obamacare?

And the title of the report says "implementation of a federally mandated American health Benefit Exchange"

Furthermore, section 2 of the report says "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010" which is Obamacare

You should be embarassed...

You have the reasoning skills of a 3rd grader. Go ask an adult to explain you the logical fallacy "post hoc ergo propter hoc". You are either blissfully ignorant of it, or lying again.

[Jadex]

Thought Obamacare was suppose to prevent this from happening?

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by Jadex

Thought Obamacare was suppose to prevent this from happening?

Well you thought wrong. Nobody EVER claimed the bill would stop the cost of healthcare rising.

[Mircea]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

The article does not say the "Obamacare" increases healthcare costs. It cites a report that says healthcare premiums are going up a certain percentage and does not give a causation.

The causation is Obamacare. As many courts have noted, it is one of the vaguest written laws ever produced. If you understand how your government works, and apparently you don't, your Congress enacts laws which are effectively nothing more than guidelines.

It is the various federal offices and agencies which then interpret those guidelines and implement the programs.

Federal agencies are nowhere close to finishing their interpretation of Obamacare and implementing policies based on the incredibly vague guidelines in Obamacare.

For example:

Affordable Care Act Ensures Women Receive Preventive Services at No Additional Cost

Historic new guidelines that will ensure women receive preventive health services at no additional cost were announced today by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).


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Today’s announcement builds on that progress by making sure women have access to a full range of recommended preventive services without cost sharing, including:

• well-woman visits;
• screening for gestational diabetes;
• human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA testing for women 30 years and older;
• sexually-transmitted infection counseling;
• human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) screening and counseling;
• FDA-approved contraception methods and contraceptive counseling;
• breastfeeding support, supplies, and counseling; and
• domestic violence screening and counseling.

Affordable Care Act Ensures Women Receive Preventive Services at No Additional Cost

Now, I from Missouri, so you're going to have show me book, chapter and verse in Obamacare where it says that, because nowhere in Obamacare does it say that.

But that is how government bureaucrats have interpreted Obamacare.

See?

You just don't get it.

I lost track of the proposed changes in the Federal Register long ago when they were at 40+ proposed changes. Every other week, every other other week some agency is proposing some new change to Obamacare based on their interpretation.

We ain't done by a long shot. You got 2 years and 3 more months of this nonsense, of proposing and implementing policies related to Obamacare. The CBO doesn't even have an idea how much it will cost in the end, except that right now it will cost $1.3 TRILLION over the next 10 years (and you ain't got the money and never will have the money).

This health and wellness program exclusively for women is not free. It costs money, and someone has to pay for it and that will cause the cost of "health insurance" premiums to rise and everyone who has "health insurance" will be subsidizing those heath and wellness programs exclusively for women.

Right now there are 100s of lobbyists jockeying for position to get some love from the government. There are all kinds of special interest "health and wellness" programs specifically for certain minority groups and special interest groups that are in the pipelines, they just haven't been reported in the Federal Register yet or announced by some agency.

If I were a bureaucrat, I could interpret Obamacare as mandating veterinary care for pets, because if a pet is ill, then the pet-owner is stressed out, and if the pet-owner is stressed out then that affects their health and wellness.

You can laugh if you want, but that's how bureaucrats think.

I guarantee you'll end up paying for "boob jobs," "butt-jobs," tummy tucks, and all kinds of other unnecessary elective medical procedures when all is said and done.

All of these "mandates" coming from the bureaucracy will drive up the cost of "health insurance."

Originally Posted by subsound

So this scenario is 100% going to happen?

It's already happening, but some are just too blind to see.

Originally Posted by jmking

Or to those on medicare who find themselves in the "Donut Hole". Last year those that did paid full retail price for their extremely high cost of medicines.

Yeah? So what's wrong with that?

Are the words "Your country is broke and doesn't have any money and won't have any money" beyond your understanding?

Not all medication is absolutely necessary to save life. Not all medication is absolutely necessary to extend or prolong life either.

90+% of your drugs are "comfort" or "feel good" medications. They're elective, not essential. They can pay full price for elective drugs.

Originally Posted by alphamale

In case you missed it, the government is the largest denier of claims in the world.

Do you prefer that?

One of the many dangers of allowing the US government to be involved in health care is that the government sets the priorities for health care. You may have read recently that the government has now mandated a concerted "attack" on Dementia, which is a problem with an aging population (so it is claimed).

That is a signal that money and resources (capital) will now be shifted to combat Dementia, and at the expense of other compelling and pressing health care issues.

Special Interest groups and lobbyists will decide where health care dollars are "rationed." No doubt breast cancer and HIV will get all the love, and every one else is prioritized based on the priorities set by government bureaucrats at the behest of the Special Interest Groups and lobbyists.

If your disease or medical condition doesn't get any love, then you get shut out and treated like a 4th Class Citizen.

Originally Posted by Wapasha

There are still hundreds fill-in-the-blank laws, in the 0bamaCare legislation, that have not bee written by the HHS secretary yet. So expect it to get so expensive that employers will drop health insurance and everyone will be forced into the government plan.

That is exactly what is happening.

Originally Posted by Dd714

We have yet to see legislation that will address the issue of rising healthcare costs (i.e. tort reform, easing of government FDA regulations, etc)...

Those have very little to do with health care costs. If you want health care costs to decrease 300% to 750% literally overnight, then change your health care delivery system and get rid of the illegal Hospital Cartels that illegally collude to illegally fix prices.

[NHartphotog]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

The article does not say the "Obamacare" increases healthcare costs. It cites a report that says healthcare premiums are going up a certain percentage and does not give a causation.

"The report cautioned that insurance rates are influenced by a variety of factors and can vary widely."

It does quote a GOP hack politician that of course takes the report and gives her spin....How surprising!

Stop lying.

Here is the actual report. Page 7 is the conclusion. OP thinks your too stupid to cross check his B.S http://www.ohioexchange.ohio.gov/Doc...imanReport.pdf

Whether that particular article is explicit about Obamacare increasing health care and insurance costs doesn't change the fact that it does. For the vast majority of us, we are already paying hefty increases due to Obamacare new mandates, on top of the out-of-control cost inflation that we have been suffering from for far too long.

Nothing in Obamacare serves to decrease costs in either insurance or health care; all of the possible cost controls got negotiated away in the no-holds-barred blitzkrieg to just get it passed. And unfortunately for the citizen who now MUST buy insurance no matter what the costs, many of its provisions significantly increase these costs; for example the requirements of full mental health care parity (that mental health problems be completely covered; a black hole of cost increases), no lifetime limits on coverage, and coverage for adult children up to age 25.

On a personal note, like many others on C-D, the letter from my employer as soon as Obamacare was passed was quite explicit that 75% of the hefty premium increase was specifically due to Obamacare mandates (of course benefits are also reduced every 6 months when the new, higher premiums are announced).

Obamacare will become even more of a disaster as all the new taxes (over a trillion dollars worth) come on line and feed our ever-growing Federal cancer, further crushing our non-functional economy. And let's not forget that so many new government agencies are created (over 100!) that the new bureaucracy has proven too complex to even flow-chart.

[padcrasher]

Originally Posted by NHartphotog

Whether that particular article is explicit about Obamacare increasing health care and insurance costs doesn't change the fact that it does. For the vast majority of us, we are already paying hefty increases due to Obamacare new mandates, on top of the out-of-control cost inflation that we have been suffering from for far too long.

Nothing in Obamacare serves to decrease costs in either insurance or health care; all of the possible cost controls got negotiated away in the no-holds-barred blitzkrieg to just get it passed. And unfortunately for the citizen who now MUST buy insurance no matter what the costs, many of its provisions significantly increase these costs; for example the requirements of full mental health care parity (that mental health problems be completely covered; a black hole of cost increases), no lifetime limits on coverage, and coverage for adult children up to age 25.

On a personal note, like many others on C-D, the letter from my employer as soon as Obamacare was passed was quite explicit that 75% of the hefty premium increase was specifically due to Obamacare mandates (of course benefits are also reduced every 6 months when the new, higher premiums are announced).

Obamacare will become even more of a disaster as all the new taxes (over a trillion dollars worth) come on line and feed our ever-growing Federal cancer, further crushing our non-functional economy. And let's not forget that so many new government agencies are created (over 100!) that the new bureaucracy has proven]too complex to even flow-chart.

A complete sack of lies.

[florida.bob]

Originally Posted by padcrasher

A complete sack of lies.

It is funny, isn't it. Very imaginative lies.