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Old 09-27-2011, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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They have.
We have given an increasing share of wealth to "job creators" for the last 10 years, and we had a jobless recovery then 10%+ unemployment up to today.

Where are the jobs?
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Maybe we need to excuse the rich from paying any taxes at all so they can create enough jobs to save our economy.
Retarded strawman is retarded.

I support the rich paying more than the poor. 10% of 1,000,000 is much much much higher than 10% of 10,000.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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So you want jobs??? Here's the plan.
1.) Secure our borders so that illegals stop lowering the wages in agriculture, construction, and manufacturing.
2.) Eliminate unions. Period. Companies can't afford to pay the guy that sweeps the floor at the GM plant $35 an hour, or give him $40K per year retirement for the rest of his life after his 50th birthday. And you wonder why companies would rather open up shop in India, China, or Mexico?
3.) Quit the "Green Jobs" crap. We have enough oil, and enough people to drill for it right here in the USA.
4.) Eliminate needless government regulation.
5.) Eliminate the Department of Education, (states can handle this), the Department of Labor, (the laws of the land protect our workers), and the "czars" that are overseeing nearly every industry in America.
6.) Reform all forms of wellfare.
-All that is just a start, but will quickly produce an increase in employment in our country.

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Old 09-27-2011, 06:32 AM
 
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Yeah, how many jobs are created by a truck driver?
I don't know.


Let's say a truck driver gets pretty good wages. He uses the money to buy food (helping provide jobs in the food/restaurant business), he buys gas(helping to provide jobs at gas stations/refineries), he buys clothes(supporting jobs in retail), he has enough money to pay his mortgage(supporting his and HIS NEIGHBORS home values which keep people moving into and supporting his neighborhood or town with their money).


He has a family he can support who use services like stores and restaurants, plumbers, electricians...they can afford them with good wages and that creates plumbing and electricians jobs because there's a demand for them
He buys a big semi or delivery truck(because his wages are good enough to afford it helping to keep those making the trucks in a job or raising the demand for more trucks which means more jobs)

See, crushing the middle class is not the way to create jobs....THEY are the ones whose money creats jobs...
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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liberal defination of a rich guy.....anyone with a job
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:01 AM
 
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I don't know.


Let's say a truck driver gets pretty good wages. He uses the money to buy food (helping provide jobs in the food/restaurant business), he buys gas(helping to provide jobs at gas stations/refineries), he buys clothes(supporting jobs in retail), he has enough money to pay his mortgage(supporting his and HIS NEIGHBORS home values which keep people moving into and supporting his neighborhood or town with their money).


He has a family he can support who use services like stores and restaurants, plumbers, electricians...they can afford them with good wages and that creates plumbing and electricians jobs because there's a demand for them
He buys a big semi or delivery truck(because his wages are good enough to afford it helping to keep those making the trucks in a job or raising the demand for more trucks which means more jobs)

See, crushing the middle class is not the way to create jobs....THEY are the ones whose money creats jobs...
Good point. Plus, many truck drivers are independent (they own their rig).

Curious about another point a person made about keeping the 'illegals' out so that prices for agricultural work will increase: at what wage would Americans be willing to stand out in a hot field all day collecting crops?
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: it depends
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The rich have gotten richer in the last 10 years, why haven't the job creators made more jobs?
The rich's job creation efforts cannot get ahead of the Obama administration's job destruction efforts.
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Maybe we've just witnessed the birth of a new epithet. Can't you envision the scene in, let's say, a Presidential debate...

One candidate scowls, points a finger threateningly at the other, and declares (as the whole audience stands up and cheers), "You're nothing but a job creator!"
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:32 AM
 
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How many jobs have been created by the poor? Your argument holds no water.
How many billion dollar corporations has a rich person staffed and run himself?

How many shoes has the CEO of NIKE put together in his life? How many loads of cargo has the CEO of WalMart unloaded at the docks in his life? How many cell towers has the CEO of Verizon repaired himself? What if one day, the workers didn't show up?

Who is more important? He who owns the means of production, or he who does the producing?

Who would fare worse if people had to go back to making, growing and living locally? Tradesmen and craftsmen (workers) ... or... globalized managers who make "hard decisions" all day like how many workers they should cut to ensure that executive bonuses remain undisturbed?

Destroy the corporation, and society would change, but not collapse. However, get rid of exploitable labor, and the "job creators" world crashes down around them.
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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So you want jobs??? Here's the plan.
1.) Secure our borders so that illegals stop lowering the wages in agriculture, construction, and manufacturing.
2.) Eliminate unions. Period. Companies can't afford to pay the guy that sweeps the floor at the GM plant $35 an hour, or give him $40K per year retirement for the rest of his life after his 50th birthday. And you wonder why companies would rather open up shop in India, China, or Mexico?
3.) Quit the "Green Jobs" crap. We have enough oil, and enough people to drill for it right here in the USA.
4.) Eliminate needless government regulation.
5.) Eliminate the Department of Education, (states can handle this), the Department of Labor, (the laws of the land protect our workers), and the "czars" that are overseeing nearly every industry in America.
6.) Reform all forms of wellfare.
-All that is just a start, but will quickly produce an increase in employment in our country.
FYI - GM employees no longer sweep the floors or do "labor gang" jobs.....they are contracted to outside companies.
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