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Old 11-01-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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The State was only providing for the health, safety and welfare of the child.

The child needed this protection because of the State's action of protecting the bottom line of Safeway Stores, Inc.
Dude, seriously? You keep quoting yourself and responding to it? Kiiiiiinda weird.
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:56 PM
 
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As far as I'm concerned, it is shoplifting the moment they tear open the wrapper and take the first bite....they are eating food that doesn't belong to them.

And yes, I've seen lots and lots of idiots in stores doing this, thinking that their "good intentions" to pay when they get to checkout makes it ok. It's not ok, and stores have every right and reason to crack down on it.

That said, the store manager should have de-escalated the situation after the arrest was made, the story was told, and the lesson (hopefully) learned.
Are you ready to tackle the elderly diabetic man I escorted to shop whose blood sugar dropped and couldn't wait on line in that moment?

Is it theft when they over charge at the register? When they shorted me a bag of groceries? Which managers shall I have arrested, and how many of their children ought to be confiscated while they're held up in court? When what passes for legitimate commerce gets in the habit of operating in a way antithetical to legitimate commerce, it's no longer legitimate.

Huge fan of accountability. There becomes a problem when one side of any given contract is given license to be unaccountable while the rest pay their fare. This is a repetitious pattern of administrative ineptitude wanting all the profits but none of the responsibility for the down sides of their own design.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: California
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Sometimes the bagger misses an item, or an entire bag, and I don't notice until I get home. It's annoying but I usually just make a phone call and they tell me they have my item(s) at the register and I can come pick them up.

Arresting people from simple human error is not the point of the law. People need to get that.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Dude, seriously? You keep quoting yourself and responding to it? Kiiiiiinda weird.
Comment noted.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:02 PM
 
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As far as I'm concerned, it is shoplifting the moment they tear open the wrapper and take the first bite....they are eating food that doesn't belong to them.
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Consuming something you haven't purchased is stealing regardless of whether you intend to pay for it sometime in the future or not.

What if the store owner had decided that the sandwiches were no longer for sale - that he instead wanted to take them to a picnic with his girlfriend later that day? Until the store agrees to sell you the sandwich, that sandwich belongs to the store. It's not yours, and you have no right to eat it.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Scienter:

[Latin, Knowingly.] Guilty knowledge that is sufficient to charge a person with the consequences of his or her acts.

The term scienter refers to a state of mind often required to hold a person legally accountable for her acts. The term often is used interchangeably with Mens Rea, which describes criminal intent, but scienter has a broader application because it also describes knowledge required to assign liability in many civil cases.

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To be guilty of larceny, she had to have the intent to take the sandwiches without paying. We don't convict people for theft for accidentally taking stuff.

I do wonder if there is more to this story than we know here, like did she pull an attitude or something.
all theft can be defended by claiming item was accidently taken.
u consumed it, u left, you did not pay. up to the merchant to decide if you made an honest attempt to remedy the error. in this case not only no attempt to remedy but no remorse at all.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. Consuming something you haven't purchased is stealing regardless of whether you intend to pay for it sometime in the future or not.

What if the store owner had decided that the sandwiches were no longer for sale - that he instead wanted to take them to a picnic with his girlfriend later that day? Until the store agrees to sell you the sandwich, that sandwich belongs to the store. It's not yours, and you have no right to eat it.
Product Eating Before Purchase Customers Will Be Severely Prosecuted

You have to inform the customers.

It's only good diplomacy.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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For F*** sake;. People have been having kids and raising them for untold thousands of years and there are probably a dozen or more cases of parents not letting the kids starve to death without teaching them to be little thieves . Some of us have gone our entitre lives without having to pig out at a grocery store. You want to eat, the place you want is called a restaurant. How about a little planning ahead. How about a little personal responsibility.

So they both "Forgot" to pay? How convienient. Book-em Danno
This is a relatively new phenomena that began with the entitlement mentality. You never saw people feeding their children, or themselves eating, in a grocery stores prior to the 1980s. At least not without paying for the product in advance.

Now, just about every other person is pilfering grapes, strawberries, or other goodies and consuming them without paying for them.

I commend Safeway's actions, and I would like to see more stores having these THIEVES hauled away to prison. Maybe the shock of being arrested will wake these entitlement morons up.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Not until a jury says so.
ummm, they admitted to it.

1. they can elect to have a judge listen and rule, there doesn't have to be a jury trial for this particular crime.

2. They already admitted to it, which is why guilt was implied on my post.

The excuse "I forgot" is probably not going to work, since it's technically shoplifting to eat a product not paid for in the first place.
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Are you ready to tackle the elderly diabetic man I escorted to shop whose blood sugar dropped and couldn't wait on line in that moment?
Oh please. If you are escorting a diabetic, and you don't have glucose tabs with you/not prepared for this, then you have more serious problems.
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