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Old 11-13-2011, 09:50 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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This will probably get me into the swamp but we're not talking about a kid that has blue eyes and blonde hair when his siblings all have brown eyes and black hair or one who's left handed in a right handed world but one who will be born with a series of cognitive, and possibly physical, disabilities to such an extent that the expectation of living what many would consider a normal, independent life is almost impossible.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Wow how awful a whole group of people are to become near extinct because of a test and abortions.







Read more: New, simple test may mean the controversial end of Down syndrome - NYPOST.com
1. It is a genetic mutation and will arise with a normal frequency despite "eugenics".

2. even with the knowledge that a child has Down's, some would choose not to abort.

3. men with Down's syndrome are in most cases sterile, while women are not
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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This will probably get me into the swamp but we're not talking about a kid that has blue eyes and blonde hair when his siblings all have brown eyes and black hair or one who's left handed in a right handed world but one who will be born with a series of cognitive, and possibly physical, disabilities to such an extent that the expectation of living what many would consider a normal, independent life is almost impossible.
No, we're not talking about this now, but it was discussed in the 1930s and 40s in Nazi Germany.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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No, we're not talking about this now, but it was discussed in the 1930s and 40s in Nazi Germany.
...and we have it, Godwin's Law and the slippery slope fallacy in one sentence.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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...and we have it, Godwin's Law and the slippery slope fallacy in one sentence.
Godwin's law is not applicable here since the discussion is eugenics which was one of the policies carried out by Nazi Germany to eliminate the undesirables from their population including the mentally ill. I pointed out the hair and eye color as a slippery slope such practices could lead to and used Nazi Germany as an example because the very same thing happened there. Learn the lessons of history cause you're on the path to repeating their mistakes.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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So people should have a baby with a profound disability requiring significant medical, financial, and parental resources...while society as a whole is telling people they don't want to help people provide for those with that type of disability?

Yeah right. People get to have a say in what to do when they help me with the consequences of forcing that decision.

It's easy to tell people what they think others should do, and skip away leaving others to hold the bag. That's not responsibility.
Who else do you want to be killed for not being perfect?
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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This is a very good pro choice argument.
Actually Hitler himself couldn't have said it better.

A person with Downs can be a very happy and good person.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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Wow how awful a whole group of people are to become near extinct because of a test and abortions.







Read more: New, simple test may mean the controversial end of Down syndrome - NYPOST.com
This is intentionally inflammatory. Down's or Trisomy-21, is associated with increased maternal age- nothing is being corrected at all. It may give parents the private decision to abort- but the incidence remains the same and while there may be less children with Down's born it doesn't mean all will be aborted.

This is one of the most private decisions a family can make.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:45 AM
 
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Actually Hitler himself couldn't have said it better.

A person with Downs can be a very happy and good person.
Sure they can. In fact, most persons with Downs are happier than the average person. I have nothing against people with Downs. The problem is that someone is going to have to take care of them. Many parents biggest fear is who is going to take care of them after the parent is gone. It should be the mother's decision. Your hitler reference was a little odd and grossly inaccurate. Hitler would have said that it is not the mother's decision but the decision of the state...his decision.
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Old 11-13-2011, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Sure they can. In fact, most persons with Downs are happier than the average person. I have nothing against people with Downs. The problem is that someone is going to have to take care of them. Many parents biggest fear is who is going to take care of them after the parent is gone. It should be the mother's decision. Your hitler reference was a little odd and grossly inaccurate. Hitler would have said that it is not the mother's decision but the decision of the state...his decision.
However, he used skilled film makers to produce films to show the mentally ill as being on-human and a burden on German society and thus needed to be eliminated. With such films, he was able to get public approval for such actions.
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