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Old 12-13-2011, 08:00 AM
 
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Great, thats what we need more of, shift the burden of running this country on the already broken backs of the middle class and below.


NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Every Republican presidential hopeful has a plan to cut taxes.
But one candidate's plan has been described as so aggressive that it would blow a hole in the federal budget, lead to huge deficits and give the richest Americans a gigantic tax break.

That candidate is current frontrunner Newt Gingrich.
According a new analysis, Gingrich's tax plan would reduce government revenue by a staggering $1.3 trillion -- or 35% -- in 2015, the first year the plan could be fully implemented.
"It's mind boggling. It's a very large tax cut," said Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the non-partisan Tax Policy Center, which performed the analysis.
What would Gingrich's plan do?
Gingrich wants to add to the current tax code by putting an optional 15% flat tax on income in place, with a $12,000 per-person deduction. And Gingrich would like to eliminate the estate and capital gains taxes.
Swing state economies complicate 2012 picture
For businesses, Gingrich wants to reduce the corporate tax rate from 35% to 12.5% -- a move that would take the rate from one of the highest in the industrialized world to one of the lowest.
All those tax cuts mean the federal government would take in much less money. In order to balance the budget -- or get even remotely close -- government spending would have to be slashed by huge amounts.
And that, as the current Congress has made clear, is near impossible.
The super committee, for example, was trying to find $1.2 trillion in savings over a ten-year period. They failed. The Gingrich plan would create a gap of $1.3 trillion in just a single year.
"This plan means big deficits," Williams said. "Or huge forced spending cuts. Or both."
But taxes would definitely go down. A lot.
Billionaires with 1% tax rates
A full 70% of Americans would pay lower taxes under the Gingrich plan, according to the analysis, an average savings of over $7,000 compared to current policy.
The highest-income individuals would see the greatest benefit. A full 99.9% of Americans with more than $1 million in income would get a tax cut. The average savings: $613,000, for an after-tax income boost of 28.7%.
The tax rate paid by those individuals would fall to 11.9%, a reduction of almost 20%. Meanwhile, Americans making less than $100,000 would see their rates drop by between 0.5% and 3.1%.
The Gingrich campaign did not respond to a request for comment.
The Gingrich tax plan was not heavily scrutinized when first released, but as the former long-shot candidate's fortunes have improved, his plans for the economy have received more attention.
The plan is similar in some respects to that of Texas Governor Rick Perry, but Gingrich's proposed rate cuts go even further.
For example, Perry would add a 20% optional flat tax and cut the corporate rate to the same level, while Gingrich wants to take the flat tax down to 15%, and the corporate rate to 12.5%.

Similar to the plan proposed by Rick Perry, taxpayers would be able to choose whether to pay the flat tax, or file under the existing tax code.
Both Perry and Gingrich have touted their optional flat taxes as a way to simplify the tax preparation process.
But tax experts have thrown cold water on that idea -- arguing that adding an additional tax option would necessitate the preparation of multiple returns to ensure the lowest rate.
"It's not tax reform," Williams said. "As long as you leave the old code in place, you're not doing tax reform. This would absolutely make it more complex."
And if Gingrich survives the primary process and emerges as the Republican nominee, his tax plan could provide ammo for the White House, which has signaled in recent days that income inequality will be central to its general campaign message.
After all, the top 1% of earners would get a tax break of more than $340,000 under Gingrich's plan, even if you assume the Bush tax cuts are extended.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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As opposed to Obama's which has reduced the deficit by..er, never mind.

No one really knows what will happen with any given plan. There are too many variables.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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Newts plan is just silly. There's really no reason to discuss, it could never happen.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:07 AM
 
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Exactly what happened last time Gingrich got his tax plan passed right? ooh wait.. no, thats not what happened at all.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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Bush set out to lower the deficit. He didn't. Obama claimed on several occasions he was going to "tighten the belt" and lower the deficit. He hasn't. They both had a "plan".

Until they are elected and privy to the full scope of the problem, no one can truly say they have a working plan.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:11 AM
 
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A full 99.9% of Americans with more than $1 million in income would get a tax cut. The average savings: $613,000, for an after-tax income boost of 28.7%.

The tax rate paid by those individuals would fall to 11.9%, a reduction of almost 20%. Meanwhile, Americans making less than $100,000 would see their rates drop by between 0.5% and 3.1%.

The Gingrich campaign did not respond to a request for comment.
i'd like to see the analysis...

but yeah, if i was Newt i wouldn't comment, either. WTF kind of plan is that? He is supposed to be the "brains" over there, correct?
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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As opposed to Obama's which has reduced the deficit by..er, never mind.

No one really knows what will happen with any given plan. There are too many variables.
Actually, there aren't that many variables and yes people can get an idea of what would happen. Economists exist for a reason.

Obama hasn't really tackled taxes much except for the tax cut he gave you that you probably didn't know about. Perhaps if you're so worried about the deficits that the country is currently running, look to those who had complete power for most of the decade leading up to the Great Recession and hold those people accountable.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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You should note who was in charge of Congress, however, during the 90's when Clinton reported surpluses...just saying.
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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Actually, there aren't that many variables and yes people can get an idea of what would happen. Economists exist for a reason.

Obama hasn't really tackled taxes much except for the tax cut he gave you that you probably didn't know about. Perhaps if you're so worried about the deficits {snip}
Moore's Law - The model works until it doesn't.

I was worried about the deficits when Bush was president and I'm worried about them even more now.

You and a group of guys are parked in a car close to the edge of a cliff. The guy who was driving stopped you ten feet from certain death. Everyone in the car breathes a sigh of relief. You and your friends throw him out and appoint a new driver. The new driver guns the accelerator and you all plunge over the cliff. Who is to blame for your death?
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Old 12-13-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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Moore's Law - The model works until it doesn't.

I was worried about the deficits when Bush was president and I'm worried about them even more now.
that's funny, i'm the opposite.

i was worried about "big government" for a long time, up until the end of 2008.

then my understanding began to change.. now i think the problem is big finance, not big government.

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You and a group of guys are parked in a car close to the edge of a cliff. The guy who was driving stopped you ten feet from certain death. Everyone in the car breathes a sigh of relief. You and your friends throw him out and appoint a new driver. The new driver guns the accelerator and you all plunge over the cliff. Who is to blame for your death?
i don't understand how that analogy applies to the economy. i think for that analogy to be apt, you'd have to focus on public debt as the "cause" of our problems, and pretend that private debt was not a central issue.
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