Do you feel it is correct to teach children that homosexuality is normal and natural? (constitutional, business)
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The correlation is that they are both performed by a minority of people within any given culture. You suggested that the behavior was natural for that very reason and I asked since beastiality is a phenomonon that naturally practiced within a minority of people of all cultures as well then by your logic there should be deemed tolerable and an acceptable form of behavior.
Having consensual sex with another adult - not rape
It does not matter if this other adult is of the same or opposite sex.
Therefore the analogy of bestiality and child molestation to homosexuality does not hold.
I see.
So the concensus is...if animals and young children could give "consent" then the behavior is tolerable and acceptable for that very reason?
Therefore if I am capable of proving that an animal or a young child can demonstrate examples where either of the two demonstrated consensual behavior, then everyone would be ok with it?
So the concensus is...if animals and young children could give "consent" then the behavior is tolerable and acceptable for that very reason?
Therefore if I am capable of proving that an animal or a young child can demonstrate examples where either of the two demonstrated consensual behavior, then everyone would be ok with it?
I get it.
Animals and children never will be able to give consent though, because of their emotional capacity and because of the power imbalance between them and an adult human. Good luck trying to prove that one, though.
And yes, basically. The main factor that makes a sexual act moral or immoral is whether there is consent. That's the common thread between cheating, child molestation, bestiality, sexual assault, and rape.
Homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bisexuality are all, by definition, consenting. If, for example, a sexual act is both homosexual and adulterous in nature, then it's obviously no longer consenting. But there is nothing about homosexuality in and of itself that makes it wrong.
Animals and children never will be able to give consent though, because of their emotional capacity and because of the power imbalance between them and an adult human. Good luck trying to prove that one, though.
And yes, basically. The main factor that makes a sexual act moral or immoral is whether there is consent. That's the common thread between cheating, child molestation, bestiality, sexual assault, and rape.
Homosexuality, heterosexuality, and bisexuality are all, by definition, consenting. If, for example, a sexual act is both homosexual and adulterous in nature, then it's obviously no longer consenting. But there is nothing about homosexuality in and of itself that makes it wrong.
The idea that a child or an animal could provide "consenual" like-behavior towards an adult would vary from child to child, animal to animal just like anything else.
I understand your logic, what I disagree with is the idea that it would be impossible for either of the two (child & beast) to demonstrate consensual behavior in any and all circumstances no matter the child or animal.
What I mainly disagree with is the logic than if it is consensual, it would be acceptable. By your logic, "incest" can be "consensual." So I guess my next question is--is that ok too?
If two adults, who are both 1st brother and sister "consenually" agree that they should have as much right to marry, procreate and live fulfilled lives with one another as partners--shouldn't we be teaching our children that as well? Inquiring minds would like to know.
The idea that a child or an animal could provide "consenual" like-behavior towards an adult would vary from child to child, animal to animal just like anything else.
I understand your logic, what I disagree with is the idea that it would be impossible for either of the two (child & beast) to demonstrate consensual behavior in any and all circumstances no matter the child or animal.
What I mainly disagree with is the logic than if it is consensual, it would be acceptable. By your logic, "incest" can be "consensual." So I guess my next question is--is that ok too?
Which definition of "incest" are you using? I know several.
Consensual incest is already legal in many states. Honestly I don't care if other people want to marry their sibling. It's not for me though. I think having biological kids in that instance is immoral for genetic reasons, though.
I think kids should eventually learn that it happens.
Which definition of "incest" are you using? I know several.
Consensual incest is already legal in many states. Honestly I don't care if other people want to marry their sibling. It's not for me though. I think having kids in that instance is immoral for genetic reasons, though.
Specifically 1st brother and sister. I'm not refering to distant cousins which is tolerable in some cultures and religions.
I'm talking one brother and one sister with the same two parents. By the logic of the room, we should be teaching our children that this behavior is natural and therefore aceceptable as well.
Assuming you have young children--would you be ok if you had a young son and a equally young daughter in school being taught that it perfectly acceptable?
I think kids should eventually learn that it happens.
being taught that "it happens" isn't the same as it being taught as acceptable and natural behavior. Most of us have been taugh that "wars" have happened all throughout history, but we don't advocate that their occurances are "natural" or tolerable either. As a matter of fact, we try to prevent them as much as possible. That being said, why shouldn't we teach today's children the same thing about homosexuality as well as incest?
And for the record, I am not advocate of any hateful attitudes or behaviors towards homosexuals.
Specifically 1st brother and sister. I'm not refering to distant cousins which is tolerable in some cultures and religions.
I'm talking one brother and one sister with the same two parents. By the logic of the room, we should be teaching our children that this behavior is natural and therefore aceceptable as well.
Assuming you have young children--would you be ok if you had a young son and a equally young daughter in school being taught that it perfectly acceptable?
Let's back up a little because if you go back and read my posts you'll see that I never advocated to teach that homosexuality is "perfectly acceptable." I advocated to teach in schools that it 1) exists and 2) is not okay to mistreat people just cause they're gay.
Following along with that, I would want my kids to learn that incest 1) happens and 2) it's not okay to mistreat people just cause they had incestuous relations, or are a result of incestuous relations.
being taught that "it happens" isn't the same as it being taught as acceptable and natural behavior. Most of us have been taugh that "wars" have happened all throughout history, but we don't advocate that there occurances are "natural" or tolerable either.
And for the record, I am not advocant of any hateful attitudes or behaviors towards homosexuals.
Go back and read my posts. I am advocating for teaching tolerance. That's it. Even though I'm gay myself I am not trying to step over everyone's toes any more than I want mine stepped on. Ideally I would like to have the whole world know that being gay is okay but I realize I'm not the only one in this world and respect other people's opinions enough to leave that up to parents. I do think schools have the responsibility to teach a bare minimum of tolerance, though.
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