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Old 12-31-2011, 02:05 PM
 
Location: California
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Almost everyone who is pro choice draws the line at when the fetus can survive outside the womb. It's a fluid point in time obviously, and medical advances are actually muddying the waters now that super-preemies can be saved with medical intervention and some folks are starting to ask if we SHOULD do that just because we CAN due to the lifetime of complication that often follow such heroic measures.
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Old 12-31-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Almost everyone who is pro choice draws the line at when the fetus can survive outside the womb.
Plenty of Common Ground Found in Abortion Debate

A lot draw the line between the first and second trimesters.

That is also where the law draws the line in most of Europe (in countries that are generally more liberal than the US).

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Old 12-31-2011, 02:15 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Plenty of Common Ground Found in Abortion Debate

A lot draw the line between the first and second trimesters. According to this poll, 52% actually.

That is also where the law draws the line in most of Europe (in countries that are generally more liberal than the US).
It's really a rather arbitrary method to draw such a line. Trimesters are broken up for convenience of time progression, not necessarily developmental milestones.
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Old 12-31-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It's really a rather arbitrary method to draw such a line. Trimesters are broken up for convenience of time progression, not necessarily developmental milestones.
Yes, but I'm interested in learning why the laws are set up that way in Europe. I'm not saying that I would support using those countries as models, but there doesn't seem to be as much arguing over abortion laws over there.
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Old 12-31-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Plenty of Common Ground Found in Abortion Debate

A lot draw the line between the first and second trimesters.

That is also where the law draws the line in most of Europe (in countries that are generally more liberal than the US).
Quite honestly, the line I draw is if the fetus can survive outside the womb. That's the cutoff point in my personal opinion.
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Old 12-31-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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If you want to use this incident as a reason to ban abortion, then by the same reasoning, we should also ban adoption.......just because there have been adoptive parents that murdered the child they adopted.

BIG FAT FAIL.
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:09 AM
 
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Abortion is WRONG.
Well, I do not think abortion is a good thing, but I believe it is a necessary evil. I do not care about some lame partying ho being inconvenienced... I DO care about the innocent child who will be a burden on the system later on and be unloved.
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:18 AM
 
Location: The Nanny State of MD
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IMO abortion is wrong under any circumstances, in anytime of the pregnancy. These people are despicable, and should get, at least, the maximum sentence.
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:24 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Quite honestly, the line I draw is if the fetus can survive outside the womb. That's the cutoff point in my personal opinion.
That is a pretty reasonable distinction. I would draw the line after about 7 days, but that is from personal beliefs. The problem with the viability line is that it's dependent on modern technology. Not long ago that line was about 28 weeks, up until the baby produces surfactant. Now I think they have pushed that down to about 23 weeks with steroids and other meds and treatments.
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Old 01-01-2012, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Springfield, Ohio
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Almost everyone who is pro choice draws the line at when the fetus can survive outside the womb. It's a fluid point in time obviously, and medical advances are actually muddying the waters now that super-preemies can be saved with medical intervention and some folks are starting to ask if we SHOULD do that just because we CAN due to the lifetime of complication that often follow such heroic measures.
Excellent point; the same medical technology and family decision-making which allows a life to be prolonged which otherwise would not exist without intervention should also be allowed to end a life with the same respect.
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