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Old 01-10-2012, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Dr. Walter Williams explains the immorality of the liberal position:

"Once one accepts the principle of self-ownership, what's moral and immoral becomes self-evident. Murder is immoral because it violates private property. Rape and theft are also immoral -- they also violate private property. Here's an important question: Would rape become morally acceptable if Congress passed a law legalizing it? You say: "What's wrong with you, Williams? Rape is immoral plain and simple, no matter what Congress says or does!" If you take that position, isn't it just as immoral when Congress legalizes the taking of one person's earnings to give to another? Surely if a private person took money from one person and gave it to another, we'd deem it theft and, as such, immoral. Does the same act become moral when Congress takes people's money to give to farmers, airline companies or an impoverished family? No, it's still theft, but with an important difference: It's legal, and participants aren't jailed."
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Dr. Walter Williams explains the immorality of the liberal position...
Heil Hitler?

"Today Christians stand at the head of this country. I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."
- Adolf Hitler
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:07 AM
 
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Oh, a "Taxation is Theft" screed. That's original.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:09 AM
 
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"Dr. Williams" is a dolt.

Rape and murder is illegal because it is an act of sexual or fatal violence against another, perpetrated against their will and without their consent.

When we start viewing our bodies in terms of "property rights," and suggest that autonomy over our bodies is on the same level as an acre of land or a store bought toaster, we're in for a lot of trouble.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:10 AM
 
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Heil Hitler?

"Today Christians stand at the head of this country. I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit. We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years."
- Adolf Hitler
Do you understand different meanings for the word liberal? Obviously not.

Rape and theft or both immoral, even if sanctioned by government. Hitler stole from the Jews and ultimately killed most of them. Our liberals steal from the rich and would probably kill them if they deep down did not know they kind of need them to support their fascist policies.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:12 AM
 
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"Dr. Williams" is a dolt.

Rape and murder is illegal because it is an act of sexual or fatal violence against another, perpetrated against their will and without their consent.

When we start viewing our bodies in terms of "property rights," and suggest that autonomy over our bodies is on the same level as an acre of land or a store bought toaster, we're in for a lot of trouble.
Rather you steal a penny or steal a million dollars it is still theft. It is still immoral. Rape is immoral because it violates a persons right to self-ownership, so is our welfare state.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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Do you understand different meanings for the word liberal? Obviously not.
One you've created? Your source(s) have? No, please proceed to "educate me". I will return the favor and put those arguments back where they belong... in trash. Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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Our liberals steal from the rich and would probably kill them if they deep down did not know they kind of need them to support their fascist policies.
Seriously?
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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False analogy. You can almost get away with comparing taxes to stealing property, but not physical harm.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:17 AM
 
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Dr. Walter Williams explains the immorality of the liberal position:

"Once one accepts the principle of self-ownership, what's moral and immoral becomes self-evident. Murder is immoral because it violates private property. Rape and theft are also immoral -- they also violate private property. Here's an important question: Would rape become morally acceptable if Congress passed a law legalizing it? You say: "What's wrong with you, Williams? Rape is immoral plain and simple, no matter what Congress says or does!" If you take that position, isn't it just as immoral when Congress legalizes the taking of one person's earnings to give to another? Surely if a private person took money from one person and gave it to another, we'd deem it theft and, as such, immoral. Does the same act become moral when Congress takes people's money to give to farmers, airline companies or an impoverished family? No, it's still theft, but with an important difference: It's legal, and participants aren't jailed."
Taxation isn't theft. It is what you pay, involuntarily, for services rendered by government.

Living in this country, you use government services whether you like it or not.
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