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Old 01-11-2012, 02:06 PM
 
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Because Iran has said they will use a nuke to obliterate Israel.

Don't you pay any attention to what Amadinejad says? Or do you think he's lying?
No! They didn't say that. You are seriously confused.

1) They said in Farsi something to the effect "the Israeli "regime" will be erased from the pages of time".

2) It was said years ago.

3) They claim it was taken out of context by the Israeli press.

4) The guy who said it is not the leader of the Country.

5) They've said multiple time since then they wish to live in peace with Israel.

Why o why can't these right wing warmongers learn their lessons from Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Another Iranian nuclear scientist blown to bits

It's risky business...
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:20 PM
 
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How hypocritical.

In the US we are guaranteed to right to posses weapons for our self-defense.

Why should these rights be for the gander but not for the goose?
This is true. It's disturbing to me how people take delight and make light of the death of other human beinsg, when what they were guilty of was nothing but intelligence, research and the expansion of knowlege that our country already has. These people had family, children, parents, siblings and the like. What were their crimes? Who did the kill? Who did they harm? Why do these same people complain about murder and violence in the streets of America, but then cheer murder and violence commited by their government?

There are some really scary people that live in the USA. It's easy to see how slavery, Jim Crow and the like flourished in this nation so long. Cold hearted fearful people. As long as you are scared......the lives of other mean nothing. But what about their fears of people like YOU and your government?
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Absolutely not.

But now I go back to my original post.

If the founders of this nation believed that the ability to possess arms was the only way to ensure for your own defense, how can the US deny other nations the ability to possess arms?
When they're an enemy.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:23 PM
 
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Agreed. Which is why we need to stop trying to claim it (the moral high ground).
A lot of that is propaganda, which both sides engage in.

Where we do have reasonable leverage is that Iran I believe signed the nukes treaty.

However, I'm of the opinion that if the world govts have failed to keep others from proliferating (like North Korea, Pak etc.) then Iran can too....but they can't cry about sanctions because that's part and parcel of going outside the treaty.

Oh well, Iran will develop nukes in a few years at most. It's old technology and many other countries have done it. The world has proven they are unwilling to take a hard stance on nuke proliferation so <shrug>.

I personally feel that having a nuke will be more of an albatross than anything for the country. It's like getting older and behaving certain ways is no longer socially acceptable. Having nukes means your comments can cause more impact and repercussion.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Because nuclear proliferation was seen as a scary thing decades ago and so a number of countries signed treaties saying they wouldn't join the nuclear club etc.

Several either did not sign the treaty or developed then anyway (Pak, India, South Africa, North Korea, Israel etc.

Are you seriously looking for there to be some sort of moral high ground in this whole mess? Iran wants nukes and is developing them. The US and their allies oppose this and is trying to stop it from happening. There is no "good guy" in all of this, it just *is*.
No, no. WE'RE the good guy and Iran is the bad guy. There's no confusion in this and there's no pretense to high moral ground in moral equivalence.
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Old 01-11-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: tampa bay
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So far as I know, the US is the only nation to every use nuclear weapons against a civilian population.
And Thank God they did or you would be speaking German right now
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Old 01-14-2012, 10:58 AM
 
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No, no. WE'RE the good guy and Iran is the bad guy. There's no confusion in this and there's no pretense to high moral ground in moral equivalence.
Well, with logic like that who am I to argue?

P.S. Is not!
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:00 AM
 
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Because Iran has said they will use a nuke to obliterate Israel.

Don't you pay any attention to what Amadinejad says? Or do you think he's lying?
It never happened. Complete figment of your imagination. Just because you WANT to believe that doesn't mean that it happened.
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Old 01-14-2012, 11:02 AM
 
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If it was us or Israel, it begs the question of why we just didn't do the same thing in Iraq with Saddam and those working on his WMD.

[i laugh a little bit thinking about it]
ITT Exelis, Halliburton, Bechtel, Fluor, CACI, Northrop Grumman, KBR, Mantech, etc, etc, etc...
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