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Forcing towns to allow low income aka section 8 apartments is just back door to forced integration. Happened to Forsyth County,Ga years and years ago...A towns people should have the right to keep out anyone it wants to. Even if that means a black town keeping me out I am fine with that...got no interest in moving there to begin with...People do better among their own..this social engineering isn't going to work..its made things worse for EVERY ONE involved.
Look, anyone can use section 8, Black or White. That is a choice anyone can make. And I know the history of Forsyth County. Force was used to kick the Black population out. Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me.
A person should have the freedom to live wherever he or she chooses. If said person is not happy with Blacks moving in, then said person is free to leave and go elsewhere. People do it all the time.
If people got along better on their own, then the Black on Black murder rate wouldn't be so high. If people are happier on their own, then why do so many Blacks of decent means pursue living in integrated areas or predominantly White areas?
This is America. People can move anywhere they want. This means EVERYONE. Segregation as we had in the old days, that was not voluntary. That was force.
So is integration. If a town votes to only allow blacks fine,whites fine,latinos fine,asians fine. Integration is force at its finest. Trying to force together people who don't want to be together.
EVERY person can make their own way... I know many people born dirt poor who are now successful.[/quote]
Why aren't ALL people that are born dirt poor success stories?
Why do we have huge swaths of this country that have entrenched poverty and has had it for decades?
Why aren't you a billionaire or multi millionaire?
Why aren't you a billionaire or multi millionaire?
Consider this. I come from a middle class family. I went to college and got a college diploma. I have some skills. Despite that, I'm not doing well. I live with my parents(thankfully, I have an interview in a week). I'm not a millionaire, and I'm looking for ways to get there. Things are not as easy as they seem. It isn't impossible. However, what many people don't understand is that things are very difficult, and sometimes, people need help getting to that lofty goal.
This is America. People can move anywhere they want. This means EVERYONE. Segregation as we had in the old days, that was not voluntary. That was force. So is integration. If a town votes to only allow blacks fine,whites fine,latinos fine,asians fine. Integration is force at its finest. Trying to force together people who don't want to be together.
EVERY person can make their own way... I know many people born dirt poor who are now successful.
Remember this? Forced integration as mandated by Obama:
States would then assess the best way to integrate communities deemed by HUD's data to not be integrated enough. A HUD official, who did not want to speak on record because of the public comment period, said the rule hopes to better match up HUD-assisted housing with the communities that have good hospitals, schools and other assets.
The move has been welcomed by civil rights groups including the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, whose senior director of the economic department Dedrick Muhammad says the policy could result in more access to economic resources for minorities.
Why do you guys think its a racial or cultural thing? Its economics. Heavily depressed economic areas may have more crime whether white or black or Hispanic.
Overseas, the most violent city in the UK is Glasgow, a city majority white.
It just so happens that race follows class in America and lower income people tend to be minorities.
Why do you guys think its a racial or cultural thing? Its economics. Heavily depressed economic areas may have more crime whether white or black or Hispanic.
Overseas, the most violent city in the UK is Glasgow, a city majority white.
It just so happens that race follows class in America and lower income people tend to be minorities.
It is not only economics, college-educated poor people have very low crime rates. Married poor people have low crime rates. Older poor people have low crime rates.
Crime is overwhelmingly about young single men who are not employed and not in school.
Look, anyone can use section 8, Black or White. That is a choice anyone can make. And I know the history of Forsyth County. Force was used to kick the Black population out. Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me.
A person should have the freedom to live wherever he or she chooses. If said person is not happy with Blacks moving in, then said person is free to leave and go elsewhere. People do it all the time.
If people got along better on their own, then the Black on Black murder rate wouldn't be so high. If people are happier on their own, then why do so many Blacks of decent means pursue living in integrated areas or predominantly White areas?
??? There is no such thing as "equal access" to Section 8. On top of the means test which everyone knows about, other factors come into play.
Section 8 is mostly for baby mommies and maybe the elderly; childless non-elderly adults have very little chance of getting a Section 8 voucher.
First of all, when you talk about segregation in the US, you are really talking about segregation of blacks. Black segregation is different from segregation of other groups in several ways:
1) Black segregation is far more complete. Even the most distinctly "ethnic" non-black neighborhoods usually have significant numbers of people living there who are not members of the main group. Pilsen, a predominantly "Mexican" neighborhood on Chicago's near South Side, was never more than about 75% Mexican. Today, Pilsen is rapidly gentrifying and becoming a "hipster" 'hood, but it was never all Mexican. Black neighborhoods, by contrast, are almost always all-black.
2) Black segregation concentrates poverty. Someone once asked, "where all the dirt-poor, all white neighborhoods in Chicago?" Answer: there aren't any. Not because there are no poor white people, but because poor white people don't get segregated. They live in neighborhoods throughout the city, mixed in with middle-class and even sometimes wealthy people. The result is that poor whites often get access to the same schools, parks, libraries, shopping centers, transit networks, etc as middle class whites. That isn't true for poor blacks. Because they are hyper-segregated, they tend to live in areas with few public amenities and even fewer viable businesses. They also tend to be geographically isolated, sandwiched between expressways and far from public transit.
3) Black segregation is much harder to break out of. When was the last time you heard about whites selling off their homes en masse and fleeing a neighborhood in panic because Pakistanis were moving in? When was the last time every businesses in a neighborhood shut down or moved to the suburbs because of an influx of Koreans? When have virtually all parents in a given neighborhood pulled their kids out of the local public schools because too many Greeks were starting to send their kids there? The answer to all three: never. But this is what almost always happens when blacks try to move into predominantly white, or mixed, areas. Every attempt by blacks to leave the ghetto is met by white flight, commercial abandonment and public divestment. No other ethnic group is treated this way, or at least not nearly to the same extent.
So yes, segregation leads more crime because it creates an desperately poor underclass completely cut off from the rest of society. They have extremely limited access to decent schools, productive job networks, or even basic consumer amenities like grocery stores. As some 60's radicals observed, much of the black population in the US is really part of an internal colony, kept physically close but socially far away. This leads to a lot of frustration, desperation, rage, vengeance, predatory behavior and violent crime.
In my experience, the biggest part - it's huge - of white privilege has been being able to rent housing in places totally inaccessible it I were black, and thus to also enjoy the quality of life that prevails in those places.
??? There is no such thing as "equal access" to Section 8. On top of the means test which everyone knows about, other factors come into play.
Section 8 is mostly for baby mommies and maybe the elderly; childless non-elderly adults have very little chance of getting a Section 8 voucher.
Notice that race isn't a requirement for getting section 8.
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