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Old 04-27-2012, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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Follow along. If giving these rights is harmful, then it's wrong. Citing the extreme nature of the HIV statistics demonstrates that the group asking for these rights is inherently harmful.
Black men have the highest rate on HIV in this country, should their marriage rights be denied?

Lesbians have the lowest HIV rates of ALL groups, so why are we being denied?

As I said, EVERY homosexual debate hinges on the harm/benign nature of homosexuality. That being the case, the homosexual community not being able to control its risky behavior is substantial evidence of harm.

See above

Of COURSE they do!!! ANY group that wants to change society has to show that their change won't harm society. Because they don't want to be child abusers! They recognize that they do harm. Homosexuals pretend they do not.
Not according to the courts.

Okay... Here's just one. The definition of monogamy is quite likely to change. Homosexuals in general do not consider sexual infidelity to be cheating. They think that they can be monogamous and still have sex with other men.
Monogamy is by definition ONE sexual partner...ONE.
How many heterosexual married people are not monogamous?
Why aren't they being denied marriage?

Just a few citations...

Are Gay Male Couples Monogamous Ever After? | Psychology Today
The incompatibility of monogamy and homosexuality - Montreal Gay Relationships | Examiner.com
Gay marriage is redefining monogamy, among other things.
Monogamy and Gay Couples | Gay Couples Institute
Lack of Gay Monogamy Could Impact Same-Sex Marriage Debate

The sanctity of marriage is already under attack. Firing another bullet at the institution isn't likely to help. If SSM enters the mainstream, the liberal media will be sure to disproportionately include it in their shows and movies. This will impact the overall view of monogamy. If that happens, heterosexual marriage is likely to largely abandon sexual monogamy, and most homosexual people just don't care. You can say you don't care, but please don't lie and tell us that you aren't trying to change marriage. You are.
Get over your "slippery slope" fallacies, and come into the real world.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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Who's refusing to acknowledge that? But if you really want to go there, we should obviously bar heterosexuals from marrying too... I mean, they just can't stop making gay people!!

Your failed argument is assuming that homosexuals want to end straight marriages, and only allow their own to get married. That's what YOU are trying to do, not them. So even if they were denying how they came to be, that has no relevance since they aren't pushing for a ban on straight marriage.
You don't know what my argument is because I haven't stated it.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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If it's harmful, it's wrong.
There are lots of things we do that is harmful, even dangerous, should we all be wearing bubble wrap suits?
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Hate to pop you balloon, but how does gay marriage make hetros' risks of catching the gay disease??? Gay will have sex married or unmarried. Are you claiming hetros are going to start having gay affairs????
Who said anything about CATCHING "the gay disease?" HIV is a public health concern. It costs us money.

But that's not the point I'm raising. By pointing out the HIV statistics I'm showing that the community of homosexuals is too irresponsible to know what is healthy and what is not healthy.
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:56 PM
 
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How about posting some studies by institutions and organizations not in bed with the APA. Okay? You wouldn't want me posting a NARTH study do you? You will claim bias. So I will politely ask you to do the same. Don't post studies by biased sources.
The American Academy of Pediatricians is biased?
How about the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry?
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Here is one REAL study that debunks your nonsense.

" More than two decades of research has failed to reveal important differences in the adjustment or development of children or adolescents reared by same-sex couples compared to those reared by other-sex couples."

Current Directions in Psychological Science


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Oh no? Then explain this.

Children of homosexuals and transsexuals more apt to be homosexual.
Children of homosexuals and transsexual - PubMed Mobile
"Do the sexual inclinations of parents influence those of their children? Of 77 adult children of homosexual parents who volunteered for three different investigations, at least 23 (30%) were currently homosexual: twelve (55%) of 22 daughters and three (21%) of fourteen sons of lesbians; five (29%) of seventeen daughters and three (17%) of eighteen sons of gays; none of six sons with both a gay and a lesbian parent. At least 25 (32%) were currently heterosexual. Of the ten with transsexual parents, one of nine daughters was currently lesbian, one was currently heterosexual, and one was transsexual. The son's sexual preference was not reported. These findings suggest that parents' sexual inclinations influence their children's."
Children of homosexuals more apt to be homosexuals? A reply to Morrison and to Cameron based on an examination of multiple sources of data.
Children of homosexuals more apt to be - PubMed Mobile
"Despite numerous attempts to bias the results in favour of the null hypothesis and allowing for up to 20 (of 63, 32%) coding errors, Cameron's (2006) hypothesis that gay and lesbian parents would be more likely to have gay, lesbian, bisexual or unsure (of sexual orientation) sons and daughters was confirmed."
"Thus, evidence is presented from three different sources, contrary to most previous scientific opinion, even most previous scientific consensus, that suggests intergenerational transfer of sexual orientation can occur at statistically significant and substantial rates, especially for female parents or female children."
This isn't just one study. It's a study and another study that originally attempted to discredit the first but instead confirmed it. Reproducibility is one of the cornerstones of science. You don't get this kind of reproducibility from science that defends homosexuality. You only get this with science that rebukes it.

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Old 04-27-2012, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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You're saying that a bunch of middle schoolers are confused about how they feel?

No Duh. They're middle schoolers.
And we shouldn't confuse them further by telling them they might be gay if they think girls have cooties.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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Do you get a marriage license from a church, or a government agency?


In most states, if a man and woman live together and the couple presents themselves as a married couple, the law considers them to be married.

So who married them in this case?
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:09 PM
 
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In most states, if a man and woman live together and the couple presents themselves as a married couple, the law considers them to be married.

So who married them in this case?
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THE MYTH: There is a common misperception that if you live together for a certain length of time (seven years is what many people believe), you are common-law married. This is not true anywhere in the United States.
STATES THAT RECOGNIZE COMMON LAW MARRIAGE:
Only a few states recognize common law marriages:
Alabama
Colorado
Georgia (if created before 1/1/97)
Idaho (if created before 1/1/96)
Iowa
Kansas
Montana
New Hampshire (for inheritance purposes only)
Ohio (if created before 10/10/91)
Oklahoma (possibly only if created before 11/1/98. Oklahoma's laws and court decisions may be in conflict about whether common law marriages formed in that state after 11/1/98 will be recognized.)
Pennsylvania (if created before 1/1/05)
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Texas
Utah
Washington, D.C.
Common Law Marriage Fact Sheet

Easy enough to disprove your post.
Thanks for playing.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:11 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Same sex marriage works just fine in Canada, in fact it seems to be working better than heterosexual unions.
Do you have any citations that give evidence for this or are you just going by your personal feelings?

Some questions to consider.
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