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Old 01-26-2012, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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One of the earliest? I think you have to go back farther than him for that. Anyone with a brain has been speaking out for a long time and nobody wants it becasue it will destroy America but becaue America has gone stupid about it and needs to shake it off.
Did you just say that we should end the whole thing, or not?
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:47 PM
 
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That is your right as is mine to oppose ending the war on drugs.
Roy, why would you support a war that has gone on for the better part of a century that hasn't produced a single victory?

Would you support an actual military war if we were in it for a decade and didn't have even ONE solid victory to point to?

Of course you wouldn't! Hell, i can answer that for you because i know you're too smart for that. So why do you support a war that's 80 or so years old that has no victories?
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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True, but more Americans are waking up to the BS spewed about marijuana. My state is getting really close to possibly getting medical marijuana on the ballot. It may not pass, and I don't expect it to, as legalizing casinos here took several times to pass before it finally did, but it isn't going to go away! Sooner or later.....
That's good to hear. Pennsylvania is really behind on Medical Marijuana so I don't expect any change soon but New Jersey recently made MM legal.
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Old 01-26-2012, 02:59 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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That is your right as is mine to oppose ending the war on drugs.

Nobody is saying you have to do drugs. But if you're truly for small government, then you would realize that incarcerating people for possession of a plant is ridiculous! You would also realize that prohibition of alcohol didn't work either!
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Florida
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There is an interesting series in Nat Geo channel called Drugs Inc, and they have an hour program for each drug, cocaine, heroin, extacy, meth, cannabis etc, and they discuss the different people involved: the producer, trafficer, distributor, the user and the law enforcer.

I recommend watching it. We have spent billions in fighting drugs in Colombia, yet it has made no differnece in the amount of cocaine being used in US. At the same time the use of crack cocaine is an epidemic which cannot be ignored. It is like a cancer in the society.

Drugs, Inc. - National Geographic Channel

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Drugs: A multibillion-dollar industry that fuels crime and violence like no other substance on the planet. Turning cartel leaders into billionaires, the illegal drug industry also provides vital income to hundreds of thousands of poor workers across the globe. While some users sacrifice their lives to an addiction they can’t escape, others find drugs to be their only saving grace from physical or emotional pain almost impossible to overcome. Where should the lines be drawn in this lucrative industry
They also have a show for people like Roy: Doomsday preppers: http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...sday-preppers/
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Old 01-26-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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I read just this morning that George Soros was one of the earliest speakers against the War on Drugs. I wonder if he thinks the American will can be destroyed with getting more drugs into the hands of the people. I will be watching who posts these war on drugs posts from now on to see possible supporters of Soros and what he wants for us.

Why do you think more people will do drugs if they are legalized? Do you realy beleive because they are ilegal is the only reason many dont do them?
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Pensacola, Florida
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Many good points made here and others that show their fear. It's understandable. These are the same folks that believe things like the old "Reefer Madness" movie.

But many are waking up to see how these policies are infringing on our freedom and liberty. Yet, it will take a huge effort to get the Government, especially the Feds, out of the 'business'. Lots of tax dollars being used to fund thousands of jobs. And, as mentioned, that's not even considering the big lobbying organizations and 'values' PACs.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...dea_budget.php

The DEA has over 10,000 employees with a budget of over $2.4 Billion.

Drug Enforcement Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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What would happen if marijuana was legalized?
We already have part of the answer. Look at California's statistics.

Stoners are going to get stoned. That's a fact, and it makes no difference whether the drugs are legal or not; 30 years of the drug war has proven it completely.

What would happen if narcotics and meth were legalized?
We already have part of the answer to that question, too. When cocaine became too expensive to maintain a habit, users turned to meth, a much cheaper high with worse accumulative effects.

If these drugs were legal, and priced high enough to make the purchase a hard choice, but low enough to cut out all the profit from illegally produced drugs, I think we would see a spike in use, but it would level off after all the junkies overdose. For sure, it would put an end to the Mexican gang wars, and would end the massive imprisonment of drug users.

If we took the money we are now paying to keep all those people locked up and used it for treatment programs and drug courts, our costs would steadily diminish instead of steadily going up. And the spike in increased use will end all the sooner.

We will always have drug users, just as we will always have alcoholics. The only difference now is drunks don't need to commit crimes to pay for their habit, but dopers do. Improve the quality and lower the legal price, and the crimes will lessen. Put the degenerate dopers in jail when they endanger others, just like we now do with the chronic drunks, and start giving both treatment, not more warehousing.

I'm all for making drugs legal, but restricted. Junkies should never be able to buy their drugs over the counter freely. They need to register and they need to pay a price that is uncomfortable, both for their addiction and their recovery. Legal drugs and rehabilitation programs have to go hand in hand.
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Old 01-26-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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You should be able to purchase marijuana the same way you purchase tobacco...
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Old 01-26-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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My state senator won't support legalizing medical marijuana in Oklahoma, because a local doctor he asked about it does not support it.
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