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If this is what you say and those are the people, why isn't the media showing these teacher's, business people, etc. they sure are showing us the worst of it.
Same in NYC these were kids, mostly college. The problem here is they don't have a voice and don't seem to have a set agenda, except crowding places and acting rude. They seem to want people to adjust to their needs. There message is just not there, if they even have a message.
The media has an agenda, that's why. FOX News, CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times -- all of these places are owned by behemoth corporations that have vested interests in smearing Occupy and other anti-corporatocracy movements. They don't want to cover resistance against the system that they helped set up, so they put out propaganda to make Occupy protesters (and others who oppose corporate rule) look bad.
Also, college students are not "kids," but young adults. They are old enough to get shot up fighting in useless wars, old enough to face the death penalty, and old enough to consent to sex/marriage/parenthood. I think they're old enough to voice their opinions on political matters.
Saying that all Occupy protesters / Democrats / liberals are guilty of the actions of these 400 people would be like saying that all white males are child molesters because the majority of child molesters happen to be white males. It's absurd, ignorant, and irrational.
Not at all, these 400 people are representatives of OWS as much as you would like to run from that fact. Not all of the protestors there acted in a violent manner, but apparently enough did to get arrested. They represent themselves as OWS. Therefore they are representing the national group. I think you would be hard pressed to find a child molestors to vocally associate themselves with white males on the same basis.
Not at all, these 400 people are representatives of OWS as much as you would like to run from that fact. Not all of the protestors there acted in a violent manner, but apparently enough did to get arrested. They represent themselves as OWS. Therefore they are representing the national group. I think you would be hard pressed to find a child molestors to vocally associate themselves with white males on the same basis.
There may be an association, but it doesn't mean that the majority of OWS supports what they're doing. You can't control everybody in a large organization.
If a member of a fraternity in Alaska rapes a girl, do you condemn the members of a chapter located in Alabama?
There may be an association, but it doesn't mean that the majority of OWS supports what they're doing. You can't control everybody in a large organization.
If a member of a fraternity in Alaska rapes a girl, do you condemn the members of a chapter located in Alabama?
As irrational as it may seem, yes the country by and large will condemn the members of that chapter and the entire national organization.
As irrational as it may seem, yes the country by and large will condemn the members of that chapter and the entire national organization.
I highly doubt that. Americans are individualists. Most of us are able to separate the behavior of one group from another, even if they're part of the same organization.
It doesn't just "seem irrational," it IS irrational. Saying 'what the majority thinks is automatically right' is another logical fallacy known as 'appeal to popularity' or 'argumentum ad populum.' It is faulty reasoning.
It does not matter what the majority of the country thinks , the truth is still that most OWS protesters don't support such actions. At one time, the majority of the country thought black people were inferior and subhuman -- did that make them right? Of course not.
The majority of people can be (and have been in the past) wrong. Truth does not depend on what the majority thinks.
You can be right and still be wrong. Image is everything. These people represented themselves as the OWS movement. Do you think the general population at large is going to buy your assessment? No, they will take it hook line and sinker. So rational or not is not what is at question here. OWS wants the support of the nation overall, then they have to make sure to not only control their own, but also control other groups associating with them... Gets a bit murkey here doesn't it. They also have to come out nationally and condemn the actions of those involved. I promise you, you will see more of this in the months ahead and if you don't comprehend the significance of the image that is projected now, you will in the near future.
OWS is not an "organization," but a horizontal grassroots movement. There is no national leadership to condemn anything. There are no presidents, no spokespersons, no bosses, no PR specialists, no leaders of any kind . . . . it's 100% autonomous.
So then these protestors, because they claim to be OWS, then are OWS irrespective of their actions. They are part of the movement, like it or not and the entire movement will be judged in accordance with the actions of those who participated in Oakland in the view of the national audience.
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