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Old 02-01-2012, 08:19 AM
 
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Folks wonder why the schools always are howling about needing money. Here is one example...........

"Hell no, he won’t go.
In a defiant raspberry to the city Department of Education — and taxpayers — disgraced teacher Alan Rosenfeld, 66, won’t retire.
Deemed a danger to kids, the typing teacher with a $10 million real estate portfolio hasn’t been allowed in a classroom for more than a decade, but still collects $100,049 a year in city salary — plus health benefits, a growing pension nest egg, vacation and sick pay.
Mayor Bloomberg and Gov. Cuomo can call for better teacher evaluations until they’re blue-faced, but Rosenfeld and six peers with similar gigs costing about $650,000 a year in total salaries are untouchable. Under a system shackled by protections for tenured teachers, they can’t be fired, the DOE says."


This sums up the insanity..........


But Winters added, “If these people are actually dangerous, it’s better to waste the money than to put them back with kids.”




Read more: NYC can’t fire this $100,049-a-year teacher pulled from the classroom 11 years ago - NYPOST.com
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:27 AM
 
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You should lose your "tenure" if convicted of a crime or anything that violates your employment contract.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:43 AM
 
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They either get charged and fired or go back to work IMO. This paying folks to sit around in limbo for years is beyond insanity.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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The city agreed to the contract stipulations which allow her to do that. To come back now and say, "Oh, we didn't mean it" is wrong.

The city made its bed, now it can lie in it.
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:53 AM
 
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Folks wonder why the schools always are howling about needing money. Here is one example...........

"Hell no, he won’t go.
In a defiant raspberry to the city Department of Education — and taxpayers — disgraced teacher Alan Rosenfeld, 66, won’t retire.
Deemed a danger to kids, the typing teacher with a $10 million real estate portfolio hasn’t been allowed in a classroom for more than a decade, but still collects $100,049 a year in city salary — plus health benefits, a growing pension nest egg, vacation and sick pay.
Mayor Bloomberg and Gov. Cuomo can call for better teacher evaluations until they’re blue-faced, but Rosenfeld and six peers with similar gigs costing about $650,000 a year in total salaries are untouchable. Under a system shackled by protections for tenured teachers, they can’t be fired, the DOE says."


This sums up the insanity..........


But Winters added, “If these people are actually dangerous, it’s better to waste the money than to put them back with kids.”




Read more: NYC can’t fire this $100,049-a-year teacher pulled from the classroom 11 years ago - NYPOST.com

The thread title is a little much don't you think. The violation of children should not be turned into a Political statement.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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NY teachers union, does any more need to be said?
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:01 AM
 
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Crap happens when you sign bad contracts that let people get away with it.

This has nothing to do with tenure, you will get fired immediately if you commit a crime that affects the kids you teach.

If it costs more to break the contract then to keep the contract to the end, people would have screamed about paying to break it too. Can't put people back with kids for fear of a lawsuit either. So damned if you do, damned if you don't in this situation. You can't just decide to break a contract because you don't like it anymore, that's the point of having a contract and a society with laws.

It shouldn't be an example of why schools need to be defunded...it serves of an example of what problems you get when people don't have the money for proper staff (legal counsel to review teacher contracts) to prevent mistakes like this. Proper funding and staffing of qualified people to do the job would have prevented this in the first place.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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It's what happened.
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:03 AM
 
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Crap happens when you sign bad contracts that let people get away with it.

This has nothing to do with tenure, you will get fired immediately if you commit a crime that affects the kids you teach.

If it costs more to break the contract then to keep the contract to the end, people would have screamed about paying to break it too. Can't put people back with kids for fear of a lawsuit either. So damned if you do, damned if you don't in this situation. You can't just decide to break a contract because you don't like it anymore, that's the point of having a contract and a society with laws.

It shouldn't be an example of why schools need to be defunded...it serves of an example of what problems you get when people don't have the money for proper staff (legal counsel to review teacher contracts) to prevent mistakes like this. Proper funding and staffing of qualified people to do the job would have prevented this in the first place.
So your solution is MORE MONEY. LOL
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Old 02-01-2012, 09:04 AM
 
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Crap happens when you sign bad contracts that let people get away with it.

This has nothing to do with tenure, you will get fired immediately if you commit a crime that affects the kids you teach.

If it costs more to break the contract then to keep the contract to the end, people would have screamed about paying to break it too. Can't put people back with kids for fear of a lawsuit either. So damned if you do, damned if you don't in this situation. You can't just decide to break a contract because you don't like it anymore, that's the point of having a contract and a society with laws.

It shouldn't be an example of why schools need to be defunded...it serves of an example of what problems you get when people don't have the money for proper staff (legal counsel to review teacher contracts) to prevent mistakes like this. Proper funding and staffing of qualified people to do the job would have prevented this in the first place.
This is not about "proper funding" this is about a teachers union that couldn't care less about students, only about themselves.
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