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Old 12-21-2011, 10:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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And that's PLUS the $39K the eventual buyer pays for each one.

Not that many years ago, I would have dismissed this article as being too fantastically silly to possibly be true. But now, with the fanatic leftists running the government the way they have for the last several years (Solyndra, GM/Chrysler bailouts, etc. etc.), being "fantastically silly" doesn't make it impossible at all.

BTW, keep in mind that many of the Volts sold so far, haven't been to private individuals. They've been sold through - you guessed it - government fleet purchases.

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Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle [Michigan Capitol Confidential]

Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle

Analyst: 'This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant'

By Tom Gantert
Dec. 21, 2011

Each Chevy Volt sold thus far may have as much as $250,000 in state and federal dollars in incentives behind it – a total of $3 billion altogether, according to an analysis by James Hohman, assistant director of fiscal policy at the Mackinac Center for Public Policy.

Hohman looked at total state and federal assistance offered for the development and production of the Chevy Volt, General Motors’ plug-in hybrid electric vehicle. His analysis included 18 government deals that included loans, rebates, grants and tax credits. The amount of government assistance does not include the fact that General Motors is currently 26 percent owned by the federal government.

The Volt subsidies flow through multiple companies involved in production. The analysis includes adding up the amount of government subsidies via tax credits and direct funding for not only General Motors, but other companies supplying parts for the vehicle. For example, the Department of Energy awarded a $105.9 million grant to the GM Brownstown plant that assembles the batteries. The company was also awarded approximately $106 million for its Hamtramck assembly plant in state credits to retain jobs. The company that supplies the Volt’s batteries, Compact Power, was awarded up to $100 million in refundable battery credits (combination tax breaks and cash subsidies). These are among many of the subsidies and tax credits for the vehicle.

GM has estimated they’ve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.

If battery manufacturers awarded incentives to produce batteries the Volt may use are included in the analysis, the potential government subsidy per Volt increases to $256,824. For example, A123 Systems has received extensive state and federal support, and bid to be a supplier to the Volt, but the deal instead went to Compact Power. The $256,824 figure includes adding up the subsidies to both companies.

The $3 billion total subsidy figure includes $690.4 million offered by the state of Michigan and $2.3 billion in federal money. That’s enough to purchase 75,222 Volts with a sticker price of $39,828.

Additional state and local support provided to Volt suppliers was not included in the analysis, Hohman said, and could increase the level of government aid. For instance, the Volt is being assembled at the Poletown plant in Detroit/Hamtramck, which was built on land acquired by General Motors through eminent domain.

“It just goes to show there are certain folks that will spend anything to get their vision of what people should do,” said State Representative Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills. “It’s a glaring example of the failure of central planning trying to force citizens to purchase something they may not want. … They should let the free market make those decisions.”

“This might be the most government-supported car since the Trabant,” said Hohman, referring to the car produced by the former Communist state of East Germany.

According to GM CEO Dan Akerson, the average Volt owner makes $170,000 per year.

(Full text of the article can be read at the above URL)
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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Government Motors.....winning!

It seems Obama isn't even qualified to sell cars. How is that venture fascism working for you now?

How many of those Volts were bought by Mayor Bloomberg for NYC and by Government Electric?
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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I haven't read the article but it wouldn't surprise me if it was substantial amount of money however:


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If battery manufacturers awarded incentives to produce batteries the Volt may use are included in the analysis, the potential government subsidy per Volt increases to $256,824. For example, A123 Systems has received extensive state and federal support, and bid to be a supplier to the Volt, but the deal instead went to Compact Power. The $256,824 figure includes adding up the subsidies to both companies.
The question becomes is the company awarded the contract exclusively making batteries for the volt? The company that didn't get the contract isn't producing any batteries for others and just pocketed the money? Unless the answer is yes to both of these questions then it's really not a fair assessment. You'd have to break it down to per unit of production and only those being used in Volts would add to the cost.

The other issue becomes if these grants and subsidies were one time deals, if it's one time then each battery they produce lowers the cost per battery even further. Along the same lines it's what often hapens with military items when there is cost overruns, the B2 and F22 are prime examples. The cost of development is included in each aircraft and everyone you make becomes cheaper to build. Both of those programs were scaled back the cost per aircraft is substantially higher than originally predicted.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Who cares? It's GREEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:21 AM
 
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Green is good but it's best when it is in your wallet.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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pretty wide margin there. Not having a solid number put this citation and this thread on shaky ground.
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. That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000,
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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pretty wide margin there. Not having a solid number put this citation and this thread on shaky ground.
$6000, 60,000 or 250,000... doesn't matter. It's WRONG to subsidize businesses.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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On one hand our government purchased perfectly good used cars and had them destroyed (cash for clunkers) and on the other, it's paying a subsidy to build new ones
Another schizophrenic policy example from our central planners.
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Old 12-21-2011, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Greer
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GM has estimated they’ve sold 6,000 Volts so far. That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.
So this claimed $250k subsidy per car:

a)might actually be 1/5 of that, and
b)assumes that no further Volts are ever going to be sold.

That is very misleading.
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