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Nice rant, but it doesn't defend the notion that health care is a 'Right' or that forcing people to buy insurance is constitutional.
But then, the OP doesn't defend mandated healthcare as a right. It defends it as constitutional. The government forces you to buy all sorts of products already, and yet you aren't complaining about that (green toilets, municipal sewer service, treated drinking water, government mandated electrical wiring specifications and gas plumbing specs, heatin specs, hot water specs, health and safety equipment on the job, etc, etc, etc).
The same freedoms you and I have: Free speech, the right to assemble, the right to a speedy and fair trial by jury.... There is no right to be free from disease.
Your question makes absolutely no sense. Owning a TV set isn't a 'right' (yet, that is...give the progressives a few more years on that one and we'll see ) but whether I pay for one or not is a matter of indifference constitution-wise.
And yet many aspects of that television set are government mandates, such as the frequencies that are allowed to be used, the wiring used, etc.
[quote=Neuling;22885080]I have no problem with that. I come from a place that has always had universal health care and spends less on it per capita than the US does, at the same time offering the same level of quality.
I guess at the heart of that entire health care mess is the problem that many Americans don't give a damn about their fellow citizens. They are willing to spend billions on some abstract foreign policy, but consider health care for their own society a waste of money, theft and what not...[/quote]
But market forces aren't controlling healthcare prices in the U.S. In fact, there is very little competition among healthcare providers. And the trend in the past 10 years has been merging providers, creating an atmosphere of even less competition, and driving prices higher still.
But then, the OP doesn't defend mandated healthcare as a right. It defends it as constitutional. The government forces you to buy all sorts of products already, and yet you aren't complaining about that (green toilets, municipal sewer service, treated drinking water, government mandated electrical wiring specifications and gas plumbing specs, heatin specs, hot water specs, health and safety equipment on the job, etc, etc, etc).
You're confusing government regulation of industry and environment with individual mandates. What commercial product can the government presently force you to buy as a condition to being a citizen. (As opposed to driving on state roads, for example, which is a privilege not a right)?
But then, the OP doesn't defend mandated healthcare as a right. It defends it as constitutional. The government forces you to buy all sorts of products already, and yet you aren't complaining about that (green toilets, municipal sewer service, treated drinking water, government mandated electrical wiring specifications and gas plumbing specs, heatin specs, hot water specs, health and safety equipment on the job, etc, etc, etc).
Not true, I do not have to buy a "green toilet", I can keep the one in my 70 yr. old home. I do not have to drink treated water, I can have a well dug.
Local building codes and federal mandates to purchase an item are not the same thing. As a US citizen to have the force of the IRS upon you (read take your home & property for non-compliance) for not participating in dictated private commerce is NOT Constitutional.
Most people get sicker because of their own choices.
Exactly what choice do you suppose people who cannot afford health insurance have?
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