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Old 02-22-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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They do force me to join and pay in forced unionism states.

Unions do not fight for my safety, because there is no concern about safety anymore. Most jobs are really safe. They do not benefit me. I want performance pay. Do unions give me that? I don't want the company to shut down. I want bad employees to get fired and I don't want to donate to the labour party.

So, why should I pay for a service I don't want or need?
Then how many times do people like you have to be told that if you hate unions, then don't be dumb enough to get hired onto a unionized workplace in the first place. If there is such a thing as a non-unionized workplace that has performance pay, then go for it.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Then how many times do people like you have to be told that if you hate unions, then don't be dumb enough to get hired onto a unionized workplace in the first place. If there is such a thing as a non-unionized workplace that has performance pay, then go for it.
Here's a better idea. Let joining a union be a personal choice, not mandatory extortion. (Pay us for the privilege to work).
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Then how many times do people like you have to be told that if you hate unions, then don't be dumb enough to get hired onto a unionized workplace in the first place. If there is such a thing as a non-unionized workplace that has performance pay, then go for it.
Because it isn't about their behavior it is about controlling other people behavior. If people form a union what business is it of theirs?
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:21 PM
 
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Then how many times do people like you have to be told that if you hate unions, then don't be dumb enough to get hired onto a unionized workplace in the first place. If there is such a thing as a non-unionized workplace that has performance pay, then go for it.
LOL... Thats the definition of right-to-work...
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Here's a better idea. Let joining a union be a personal choice, not mandatory extortion. (Pay us for the privilege to work).
Then why do you believe so much in getting union representation for FREE by refusing to pay union dues? Explain why this is only right and fair to the other workers who are paying union dues.
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Old 02-22-2012, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Va. Beach
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Then why do you believe so much in getting union representation for FREE by refusing to pay union dues? Explain why this is only right and fair to the other workers who are paying union dues.
I DON'T believe is getting union representation, and if I am the beneficiary of such representation, i should pay a fee for it.

If however i wish to deal directly with an employer for my wages and benefits, then no union representation is required, and no fee is due.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:58 PM
 
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Then how many times do people like you have to be told that if you hate unions, then don't be dumb enough to get hired onto a unionized workplace in the first place. If there is such a thing as a non-unionized workplace that has performance pay, then go for it.
Would you say the same if 20% of the jobs required you to join the NRA and pay money to them. I mean, why would you be dumb enough to get hired to a job that requires you to join the NRA in the first place. It's about freedom. Freedom of association.

Every single time someone came with this argument, I have responded to it. However, I never got a response back.

The free rider dilemma is very easy. Don't represent me. It is that easy.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:20 PM
 
Location: Twin Cities, MN
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I LOVE John Winston Howard. Even if some of his nonsense has been repealed, I still love him and will claim that my country is better than the USA even though we still have closed unions!

Am I a narcissist?
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Would you say the same if 20% of the jobs required you to join the NRA and pay money to them. I mean, why would you be dumb enough to get hired to a job that requires you to join the NRA in the first place. It's about freedom. Freedom of association.

Every single time someone came with this argument, I have responded to it. However, I never got a response back.

The free rider dilemma is very easy. Don't represent me. It is that easy.
Tell me something. How many times do people like you have to be told that it is a FACT that it is against federal law to be required to join a labor union as a condition for securing a job. If a union violated this law against you, then you should have reported it. Or is it simply not possible to expect you to stop being ignorant of the law?
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:26 AM
 
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Tell me something. How many times do people like you have to be told that it is a FACT that it is against federal law to be required to join a labor union as a condition for securing a job. If a union violated this law against you, then you should have reported it. Or is it simply not possible to expect you to stop being ignorant of the law?
You are right. But what is the difference? You are represented by the union, and you have to pay.

Why can't people choose to not pay and not be represented?
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